Barry Johnson
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And yet we are sealed by the Holy Spirt until..we sin wilfully? no until the day of redemption.
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The Saved Backslider
- Thread starter rockytopva
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That verse in Hebrews refers to those who have heard about the death of Jesus as final sacriface, and decide to return back to Judaism!There was a story told in the long ago about a boy on a horse carriage. While his parents were in the mercantile someone untied the horses and sent them on the run. A hero on a fast horse run the carriage down, got a hold of the reins, and brought the carriage to a stop.
Years later the boy would get in trouble and stand before a judge. When it came time for the judge to make a ruling, asking if the man understood the charges against him the young man interrupted, "Hey! I remember you! Your the man that saved me on the carriage!" In which the judge replied, "In the long ago I appeared unto you your savior, today I appear before to you as your judge.... Guilty as charged!"
If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. - Hebrews 10:26
Barry Johnson
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Why dont you believe ephesians 1 . sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption.? This means that Those Hebrews cannot be during the church age . simpleThat verse in Hebrews refers to those who have heard about the death of Jesus as final sacriface, and decide to return back to Judaism!
Barry Johnson
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your quaint story above has no similarities as to what salvation is nor what Jesus did.That verse in Hebrews refers to those who have heard about the death of Jesus as final sacriface, and decide to return back to Judaism!
Barry Johnson
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The whole point of salvation in the new testament is that we are forgiven and redeemed , and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption . So that does not match your tale .Why dont you believe ephesians 1 . sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption.? This means that Those Hebrews cannot be during the church age . simple
They still are today, just instead of going back to Judaism, they keep sabbath, cling to water Baptism as when saved etc!Why dont you believe ephesians 1 . sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption.? This means that Those Hebrews cannot be during the church age . simple
Barry Johnson
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Yeah like that's happening all the time today ??They still are today, just instead of going back to Judaism, they keep sabbath, cling to water Baptism as when saved etc!
Barry Johnson
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Hebrews is written to ? Hebrews . During the tribulation. This is not how we are saved during the church age .Yeah like that's happening all the time today ??
Barry Johnson
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The Gosepl is not " endure to the end " . You will not find Paul in Roman's telling people the Gosepl is endurance and ' hold fast our confidence till the end .. to be saved . Be careful which commentator your reading .Hebrews is written to ? Hebrews . During the tribulation. This is not how we are saved during the church age .
Barry Johnson
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Isnt all sin ' wilful ' ?Not if you wilfully go wrong.
Barry Johnson
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Jesus blood payed for the entire cosmos . Past , present and future sinsPremise: A born anew believer will not choose to sin.
Problem: Those that enter heaven as one escaping form a fire, did not bear fruit, at least not the kind that allows the person to enter heaven "abundantly."
Corollary: The blood of Jesus does not cover our future sins when saved.
Problem: Justification means when we sin, it is just as if we did not sin. Note Romans 5:9:
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. If we could lose our salvation, then being justified would not necessarily result in being saved from the wrath of God. Scripture cannot be broken.
Barry Johnson
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If it refers to Jews returning back to Judaism ( lets go with along with this for a moment) why are you applying it to anyone who is sinning ( generally) ?That verse in Hebrews refers to those who have heard about the death of Jesus as final sacriface, and decide to return back to Judaism!
We are not under the Law . We are under Grace. No man can keep the Law. Which is why we are under Grace.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The works of the devil have been destroyed Making us under Grace.
MB
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The works of the devil have been destroyed Making us under Grace.
MB
Universal salvation for all. No need to do anything. All sins are paid for. This saith Barry Johnson...Jesus blood payed for the entire cosmos . Past , present and future sins
Barry Johnson
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Erm last I checked no one was saved by the death of christ ..think about it . When Jesus said " it is finished " were you saved ? how about 5 minutes after ? a year ? so after Jesus died on the cross ' reconciling the whole world " were you saved ? ..universalism ? Jesus paying for the entire cosmos including everything in it is not how we are saved . We are saved by believing the Gosepl last time I checked .Universal salvation for all. No need to do anything. All sins are paid for. This saith Barry Johnson...
Barry Johnson
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Erm last I checked no one was saved by the death of christ ..think about it . When Jesus said " it is finished " were you saved ? how about 5 minutes after ? a year ? so after Jesus died on the cross ' reconciling the whole world " were you saved ? ..universalism ? Jesus paying for the entire cosmos including everything in it is not how we are saved . We are saved by believing the Gosepl last time I checked .
There is no verse that says or suggests your assertion. Everyone placed in Christ has their sin burden removed, covering past present and future sins. Jesus did not pay for the specific sins of those not put in Christ, they pay for them themselves in Hades and Gehenna. Jesus bought with His blood the right to forgive those God chooses to place in Christ. Even to this day, God is reconciling the world, one sinner at a time, as God puts them in Christ based on crediting their faith as righteousness.Jesus blood payed for the entire cosmos . Past , present and future sins
Barry Johnson
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1 John 2:2There is no verse that says or suggests your assertion. Everyone placed in Christ has their sin burden removed, covering past present and future sins. Jesus did not pay for the specific sins of those not put in Christ, they pay for them themselves in Hades and Gehenna. Jesus bought with His blood the right to forgive those God chooses to place in Christ. Even to this day, God is reconciling the world, one sinner at a time, as God puts them in Christ based on crediting their faith as righteousness.
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
do you have any verses to go with your statement please ?
Barry Johnson
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Do you have a verse that says people are ' paying for their sins in hell ' ?1 John 2:2
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
do you have any verses to go with your statement please ?
Barry Johnson
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it's clear from the bible that Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world on the cross.There is no verse that says or suggests your assertion. Everyone placed in Christ has their sin burden removed, covering past present and future sins. Jesus did not pay for the specific sins of those not put in Christ, they pay for them themselves in Hades and Gehenna. Jesus bought with His blood the right to forgive those God chooses to place in Christ. Even to this day, God is reconciling the world, one sinner at a time, as God puts them in Christ based on crediting their faith as righteousness.
What's happened is you have bought into a system that tells you that Jesus ' death ' only paid for the ' elect ' ( which is never found in the bible) but without thinking that no one is saved by the death of christ ( you cannot be saved without the death and shed blood of course , but His death is not what saves a person .