The SDA Cult

[robycop3]

The Sda sees Ellen White as being just as inspired to them as Paul and Peter and John!

Yes...

And Dr. Ben Wilkinson, author of the current KJVO myth's "foundation stone" book, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, was a close friend of hers. He equated her writings with Scripture.

And Dr. W is also still held in high esteem by the SDA. The library of their Union College is named after him.

 

[David Kent]

Well, I suppose that technically the definition depends upon the author of this thread but since he did not define what he meant by a cult and chose the SDA as an example, we really need to ask him.

However, for the sake of debate, I will use this definition, which is short: “a group religious in nature which surrounds a leader, or a group which either denies or misinterprets essential biblical doctrines.”

I would list the three major American cults of the nineteenth century as examples: Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Science.

My dad used to add the Brethren because of their dispennsational teaching.

 

[David Kent]

The underlying problem that you have outlined in your answer is that the Church stopped defending the faith vigorously in the nineteenth century because they did not want to be divisive. Now we are faced with the problem that people no longer know what they believe and why they believe it. Almost everyone used to have some sort of church affiliation and the people in the cults have often been in the Christian denominations. The cults prey on those who don't know what they believe. One of the big cults in Indianapolis is the "Jesus Only" cult, actually the United Pentecostal Church. Also, there are a lot of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Christian Science still has a reading room downtown Indianapolis. Nation of Islam has a presence near the Indiana State Fairgrounds. I myself cannot stand to read much cult theology because it makes me physically ill.

I used to live in an apartmennt above a Christian Science Reading room. (In the 1960's) Never thought much about it till the staff of a Chinese restaurant next door, took issue with a diner who tried to leave without paying and threw him through the window of the CSRR.

 

[church mouse guy]

My dad used to add the Brethren because of their dispennsational teaching.

Dispensationalism is huge in the USA. It is all Fundamentalists and Evangelicals teach. It is not debated.

 

[church mouse guy]

I used to live in an apartmennt above a Christian Science Reading room. (In the 1960's) Never thought much about it till the staff of a Chinese restaurant next door, took issue with a diner who tried to leave without paying and threw him through the window of the CSRR.

Did Christian Science own the building? They are wealthy.

 

[David Kent]

Did Christian Science own the building? They are wealthy.

I have no idea. At the time I lived there with my parents, for a short time.

 

[robycop3]

The "investigative judgment" doctrine of the SDAs saya that Jesus entered the Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple Oct. 22, 1844 to investigate the lives of everyone who's ever professed belief in Him.

This doctrine was first taught in Milleriam by Hiram Edson, F. B. Hahn, & O. R. L. Crosier. It was "confirmed" in visions which Ellen G. White claimed to have had, & accepted as "present truth' by the early SDAs, & continues to this day.

My question: WHERE IS THIS VIEW FOUND IN SCRIPTURE????????????? Without any Scriptural support, this doctrine must be seen as a man-made addition to the commands & precepts of God, & thus sinful and false.

 

[robycop3]

The SDAs observe what is called "Sabbatarianism", which is an extreme view of observing the Saturday Sabbath, with even salvation depending upon it. This view is the source of the cult's name!

This view is wrong. First, the Sabbath was given ONLY TO ISRAEL, and we see in Scripture that God didn't punish any gentile for not observing it, unless that gentile was leading Israelis to break it. And we see in old jewish writings that the old Israelis forced the Gibeonites & other gentiles who were their forced servants to perform their labors on the Sabbath, such as animal husbandry, cooking, cleaning, wood-cutting, etc.

But again, God has never required non-Israelis to observe the Sabbath, In fact, He said, thru Paul, in Col.2:16"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day"
(Remember, Paul was writing to gentile Christians in Colossae, a Roman city in present-day Turkey. It was famous for an angel cult.)

The SDA also falsely asserts Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, a view not found in Scripture whatsoever, & therefore completely-false !

AND CERTAINLY, JESUS NEVER MADE SABBATH-OBSERVING A CONDITION FOR SALVATION !

Just a continuation of the fact that SDA "has a FORM of godliness while denying its POWER" !

Regardless of your religious affiliation, NEVER believe ANY MAN-MADE doctrines or rules of faith/worship ! Instead, let SCRIPTURE, free of any man-made interps, be your guide!

 

[Yeshua1]

Dispensationalism is huge in the USA. It is all Fundamentalists and Evangelicals teach. It is not debated.

It is among those of us who are reformed and Baptist!

 

[Yeshua1]

The "investigative judgment" doctrine of the SDAs saya that Jesus entered the Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple Oct. 22, 1844 to investigate the lives of everyone who's ever professed belief in Him.

This doctrine was first taught in Milleriam by Hiram Edson, F. B. Hahn, & O. R. L. Crosier. It was "confirmed" in visions which Ellen G. White claimed to have had, & accepted as "present truth' by the early SDAs, & continues to this day.

My question: WHERE IS THIS VIEW FOUND IN SCRIPTURE????????????? Without any Scriptural support, this doctrine must be seen as a man-made addition to the commands & precepts of God, & thus sinful and false.

No WHERE to be found in the scriptures, as the one whom the blood Jesus has cleansed and set free is free indeed! Now therefore there is no NO condemnation comes to mind!

 

[Yeshua1]

The SDAs observe what is called "Sabbatarianism", which is an extreme view of observing the Saturday Sabbath, with even salvation depending upon it. This view is the source of the cult's name!

This view is wrong. First, the Sabbath was given ONLY TO ISRAEL, and we see in Scripture that God didn't punish any gentile for not observing it, unless that gentile was leading Israelis to break it. And we see in old jewish writings that the old Israelis forced the Gibeonites & other gentiles who were their forced servants to perform their labors on the Sabbath, such as animal husbandry, cooking, cleaning, wood-cutting, etc.

But again, God has never required non-Israelis to observe the Sabbath, In fact, He said, thru Paul, in Col.2:16"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day"
(Remember, Paul was writing to gentile Christians in Colossae, a Roman city in present-day Turkey. It was famous for an angel cult.)

The SDA also falsely asserts Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, a view not found in Scripture whatsoever, & therefore completely-false !

AND CERTAINLY, JESUS NEVER MADE SABBATH-OBSERVING A CONDITION FOR SALVATION !

Just a continuation of the fact that SDA "has a FORM of godliness while denying its POWER" !

Regardless of your religious affiliation, NEVER believe ANY MAN-MADE doctrines or rules of faith/worship ! Instead, let SCRIPTURE, free of any man-made interps, be your guide!

Sda holds to a conditionally, probationary view of eternal life, as we indeed have that right now, but can forfeit it in the future!

 

[church mouse guy]

It is among those of us who are reformed and Baptist!

What denomination is that?

 

[David Kent]

It is among those of us who are reformed and Baptist!

Here in UK Refored Baptist and reformed Evangelicals do not teach it.Before the end of the 19th century, it was mainly confiened to the Plymouth Brethren here. Outside that sect it was widely considered to be a heresy.

 

[David Kent]

What denomination is that?

It is not a denomination, but any church that is Baptist and reformed.of fopr that matter Evangelical and reformed,

Actually most such churches would not have an issue with a member that disagreed with them , after all it is a matter of interpretation, not biblical doctrine. Our previous chuirch which was an independent Evangelical church had members that were dispie, as well as those who were not, and then there was me.

 

[church mouse guy]

It is not a denomination, but any church that is Baptist and reformed.of fopr that matter Evangelical and reformed,

Actually most such churches would not have an issue with a member that disagreed with them , after all it is a matter of interpretation, not biblical doctrine. Our previous chuirch which was an independent Evangelical church had members that were dispie, as well as those who were not, and then there was me.

I walk on eggs.

 

[Salty]

It is not a denomination, but any church that is Baptist and reformed.of fopr that matter Evangelical and reformed, ....

Actually
Baptists are a denomination - but thats for another thread.

 

[Yeshua1]

What denomination is that?

Reformed Baptist, not a demonization per say, but more of a belief system held by some Baptists!

 

[Yeshua1]

Here in UK Refored Baptist and reformed Evangelicals do not teach it.Before the end of the 19th century, it was mainly confiened to the Plymouth Brethren here. Outside that sect it was widely considered to be a heresy.

It is the most held theology here among those who consider themselves either Baptists or Evangelical....

 

[David Kent]

It is the most held theology here among those who consider themselves either Baptists or Evangelical....

Many Evangelical churches in this country, were once Plymouith Brethren.The is one near here thaty was a Brethren "Gospel Hall" and changed its name to Evangelical Church, and is now a 'Community Church'

Most General Baptist here, who belong to the Baptist union will believe anything.

 

[Yeshua1]

Many Evangelical churches in this country, were once Plymouith Brethren.The is one near here thaty was a Brethren "Gospel Hall" and changed its name to Evangelical Church, and is now a 'Community Church'

Most General Baptist here, who belong to the Baptist union will believe anything.

I know that the AMil viewpoint is probably most hesld outside states, but the Dispy view still very strong here in USA!