Brightfame52
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Why do you deny the saving efficacy of Christs Death. How are these believers Justified here ? Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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They deny the Saving Efficacy of the Death of Christ !
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9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Brightfame52
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Im earnestly contending for the Faith, the saving accomplishment of the Death of Christ which you oppose
Silverhair
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CONTEXT BF CONTEXT. I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp.
Justified
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- Original: δικαιόω
- Transliteration: Dikaioo
- Phonetic: dik-ah-yo’-o
- Definition:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
Does that explain it to you BF.
Note what the verse says BF "shall be saved from wrath through him."
What does the bible tell us about when we are saved?
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
What do you miss in these words BF?
You continue to deny the word of God BF.
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Silverhair
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Show me where it says in clear text that we are saved by His death.
I searched all of my bibles {15} and none support your view that we are saved by His death. But all of them support that we are saved by God because of our faith in the risen Christ.
You may think you are contending for the faith but you are contending for a religion that started in the 4th century.
You continue to deny what the word of God says.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
This scripture is within the context sir. So according to Rom 5:9 how were they Justified ?
This scripture is within the context sir. So according to Rom 5:9 how were they Justified ?
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
I have given you scripture that says it. Now you show me a clear scripture that says " the death of Christ saved no one" as you have stated.
I have given you scripture that says it. Now you show me a clear scripture that says " the death of Christ saved no one" as you have stated.
Silverhair
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Context means you need to read things in context BF. The context does not support your view.
But to answer your question, we are justified by when we trust in/have faith in Him.
You continue to pull verse out of context BF which leads you into error.
Silverhair
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Since I searched the bible for your view and it is not there perhaps you can provide the clear text for me.
You continue to make these claims but do not provide the proof when asked to provide it. Why is that BF? If you have the text surely you would jump at the chance to prove me wrong.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
1Pe_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Brightfame52
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This scripture is within the context sir. So according to Rom 5:9 how were they Justified ?
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
I gave you scripture for the saving efficacy of the death of Christ, but you dont receive the truth. So now please show us a scripture for your view" The death of Christ saved no one" I have never seen that scripture b4 in over 4 decades of bible study and reading
I gave you scripture for the saving efficacy of the death of Christ, but you dont receive the truth. So now please show us a scripture for your view" The death of Christ saved no one" I have never seen that scripture b4 in over 4 decades of bible study and reading
Silverhair
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To read in context means how does the verse you are looking at fit within the context BF. eg Rom 5:6-11 You are pulling the verse out of the context within which it is found.
Even looking at just Rom 5:9-10 shows you have misunderstood Rom 5:9.
Brightfame52
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This scripture is within the context sir. So according to Rom 5:9 how were they Justified ?
Does not Mark 16:16 say that he who believes not is condemned?
The fact that Christ died on the the Cross for our sins is not going to save anyone if they don't believe.
That is the condition to salvation, no one will enter into heaven without meeting that condition.
Silverhair
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You have been making the false claim that the death of Christ saves.
The bible says we are saved by His life which would mean that we cannot have been saved by His death.
If we were saved by His death then why the resurrection, it would make no difference.
For someone that claims to have studied the bible for over 4 decades you do seem to have missed quite a bit.
Come on BF step up to the plate, give those verses that prove your case.
Silverhair
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So you have no support for your false claims, got it.
Brightfame52
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Those who believe not is because they were not of Christs Sheep Jn 10:26 and so since He didnt die for them, being not sheep, they are still condemned by the law, they are lost.
If Christ had died for them they would have been saved from condemnation. Sinners Christ died for as unbelievers they are still reconciled to God, saved Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
So how is a reconciled enemy/unbeliever reconciled to God and condemned as a unbeliever at the same time ?
Brightfame52
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How were these believers redeemed unto God according to this scripture Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
You are straight up denying 1 John 2:2, that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
Believing the lie that Christ only died for the Elect.
There's no reasoning with someone who denies the plain Scripture!
Silverhair
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Christ redeemed the whole world BF. As long as you continue to ignore the context of the verses you will be lost in your misunderstanding of the bible.
You have allowed a man-made religion to inform you rather than the word of God.
I have been patient with you but even that comes to an end.
Unless you change BF you may well hear the words "depart from me I never knew you"
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