They deny the Saving Efficacy of the Death of Christ !

[Charlie24]

It is referring to salvation from the penalty of sin. Nobody in the reconciled world has to worry about dying in their sins. You dont believe that's salvation

I'm telling you BF, it's not salvation!

We have been reconciled to God through Christ being imputed with our sin, the sin of the whole world, as John said.

We are back on good terms with God the Father now that Christ had bore our sins upon Himself.

Christ did that for us, because He loves us, the whole world.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm telling you BF, it's not salvation!

We have been reconciled to God through Christ being imputed with our sin, the sin of the whole world, as John said.

We are back on good terms with God the Father now that Christ had bore our sins upon Himself.

Christ did that for us, because He loves us, the whole world.

For God so loved the world that he gave............

The world, BF, the entire world, past, present, and future.

 

[Brightfame52]

I'm telling you BF, it's not salvation!

We have been reconciled to God through Christ being imputed with our sin, the sin of the whole world, as John said.

We are back on good terms with God the Father now that Christ had bore our sins upon Himself.

Christ did that for us, because He loves us, the whole world.

Those who dont have their sins imputed are blessed and forgiven and righteous, thats salvation

Rom 4:6-7

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The world reconciled to God is a Blessed Righteous world

 

[Silverhair]

For God so loved the world that he gave............

The world, BF, the entire world, past, present, and future.

BF will just continue to deflect. He just cannot see how bad his religious view is.

 

[Aaron]

So your still under the old covenant from what you say

Let's see...how did you put it? Ah, yes...LAME!

as you keep point back to the OT.

As did the Apostles.

The law was our tutor but it could never save. You should know that but it appears that you do not.

LOL. Just because it couldn't save doesn't mean it couldn't tutor. One just needs to be humble enough to be instructed thereby.

I am unwilling to compromise the word of God, that is why I am not of the C/R religion.

One must know it not to compromise it.

This has got to be the most illogical thing I have seen you post "Because you can't show me Egypt's stone on the breastplate of the high priest, you can't say that anyone but the elect, however you define them, have their sins removed by the Atonement of Christ."

Not illogical, just something you've not been pressed to consider.

Actually no one had their sins removed at the cross, but all had their sins covered and thus could be saved by God through faith in His son. Those that have trusted in Jesus are then in Christ the "Elect One" and then are elect. You make the error of thinking one is elect before they are in Christ, but that is just another of the errors of that man-made religion from the 4th century.

But then again you do believe a number of unfounded things.

You're just making things up as you go.

 

[Silverhair]

Let's see...how did you put it? Ah, yes...LAME!



As did the Apostles.


LOL. Just because it couldn't save doesn't mean it couldn't tutor. One just needs to be humble enough to be instructed thereby.


One must know it not to compromise it.


Not illogical, just something you've not been pressed to consider.


You're just making things up as you go.

Just your usual mindless blather.

 

[Charlie24]

Those who dont have their sins imputed are blessed and forgiven and righteous, thats salvation

Rom 4:6-7

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The world reconciled to God is a Blessed Righteous world

BF, this is hopeless. Paul is not speaking of reconciliation in Rom. 4:6-8, he's speaking of the Law imputing sin in unrighteousness.

Reconciliation involves both parties to come to an agreement. God's problem with man was his sin, and man could do nothing about it.

So Christ took all of man's sin upon Himself, making reconciliation between God and man, making it possible for man to be saved.

You can't understand this because you don't understand the free will of man.

Christ making reconciliation for us involves a choice to take advantage of the reconciliation, in order to be saved.

I don't know how you learned the Scripture but you have misunderstood so much of it. You will not listen, therefore I can't help you!

 

[Charlie24]

BF, this is hopeless. Paul is not speaking of reconciliation in Rom. 4:6-8, he's speaking of the Law imputing sin in unrighteousness.

Reconciliation involves both parties to come to an agreement. God's problem with man was his sin, and man could do nothing about it.

So Christ took all of man's sin upon Himself, making reconciliation between God and man, making it possible for man to be saved.

You can't understand this because you don't understand the free will of man.

Christ making reconciliation for us involves a choice to take advantage of the reconciliation, in order to be saved.

I don't know how you learned the Scripture but you have misunderstood so much of it. You will not listen, therefore I can't help you!

I will stand before the Lord and give account of my responsibility in this conversation. I may forget it one day, but the Lord will not forget it, it is being recorded in Heaven. To the best of the ability the Lord has given me, I must make another effort to explain.

If I do a wrong to you and our relationship is severed, in order to be reconciled we both must choose to make it right.

We have sinned against a Holy God, and there is nothing we can do to make it right. God took the first step in reconciliation with man by giving His Son to bear all of our sins for us, so we can come back into relationship with Him.

God has made the choice to reconcile with us through His Son, but WE must make a choice to reconcile ourselves to God by repenting of the wrong we have done to Him, and believing in His Son. It's based on the free will of both parties to make things right.

I can't explain it any better than this, I am limited in what God has given me, and this is the best I have to offer in explanation.

 

[KJB1611reader]

Jesus shed his blood for the whole world, not only us but all.

He dosen't want any to perish.

Shawn

 

[Brightfame52]

Another scripture that teaches that Christ's Death alone saved, justified them He died for is Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

To be made Righteous is Salvation Isa 61:10

I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

And this being made Righteous in Rom 5:19 is the consequence of the Sole Obedience of Christ, the Obedience of One wrought it and applied to the account of many !

And since all men without exception aren't made Righteous, Christ's Obedience is limited to only them made Righteous !

 

[Brightfame52]

@Charlie24

BF, this is hopeless. Paul is not speaking of reconciliation in Rom. 4:6-8, he's speaking of the Law imputing sin in unrighteousness.

It doesnt matter, its all related, I showed the connection. As already stated, reconciliation involves non imputation of sin, clear from 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So therefore, non imputation is related to being blessed, forgiven and counted righteous without works, from what Paul wrote of non imputation in Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Its called comparing spiritual things with Spiritual things 1 Cor 2:12-13

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

All these matters are Spiritual

 

[JonC]

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