Three People in the God head??? It is what the Bible teaches!

I have understood the Bible since the time that I could read. My recent studies have only led me to greater insight and to a sure knowledge that oneness theologians have missed the point. The problem is you are relying on evidence that does not exist. The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. Jesus made it quite clear that he is the Son, and that He is not the Holy Spirit, nor is He the Father.</font>[/QUOTE]</font>

• Jesus is A Name do you or do you not agree? </font>
• Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Aunt, Uncle, Brother, Mother, sister etc. are not names. Do you agree?</font>
• Do you believe that there is Power in the Name of Jesus? </font>
• At the mention of "God" is every knee going to bow? Is every tongue going to confess?
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• At the mention of "Father" is every knee going to bow? Is every tongue going to confess? </font>
• At the mention of "Son" is every knee going to bow? Is every tongue going to confess? </font>
• At the mention of "Holy Ghost" is every knee going to bow? Is every tongue going to confess?
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• At what Name is every Knee going to bow, and at what Name is every tongue going to confess?
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Jehovah spoke through Isaiah and said (Isaiah 45:23)"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
That prophecy was fullfilled in (Phill 2:9-11) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and things in earh and things under the earth And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
There is so much more in the Name of Jesus that you guys do not and try not to see. It is in Scripture, it is in Red.

John 14 Thomas said to the Lord we do not know where you are going, how can we know the way? And jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If you had known me ye should have known my Father also and from henceforth ye know him and have seen him. And Chemitz said Lord show us the Father, and it sufficeth us and Jesus Slapped him in his face hit him over the head with the fryeing pan and said Have I been with you so long that you still dont now me. He that hath seen me hath seen the Father and how sayest thou then show us the Father?

Jesus is not the Holy Ghost?

And I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you forever. Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive b/c it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him (speaking of the comforter) for he dwelleth with you (who dwells with them? Jesus) and shall be in you. (hmmmm looks as if Jesus is going to be in them). I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you Judas said unto him how is it that thou wilt manifest (not send another person but manifest) unto us and not unto the world? and Jesus went onto say But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my Nmae, he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance what soever I have said unto you.

In that whole chapter Jesus is spilling himself letting his deciples know that Ther Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all the same person. Chemitz how can you say that Jesus did not say he was the comforter that would dwell in them? Shame on you

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under heaven given among men wherby we must be saved.

Let me close by asking you this. Could you each give me one reason why the Name is so important?

God bless

[ June 11, 2002, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Yes Jesus is a name.

I disagree, Holy Ghost is the name of the third person of the Trinity and that the Father is the name of the First person of the Trinity as revealed by Jesus and the Apostles.

Yes because as the second person of the trinity(aka The Son), Jesus is God.

Can you say selective reading, how convient it is that you skipped over "another comforter." Second your interpretation is flawed because with in the same passage Jesus only refers to Himself as 'I', but when He refers either to The Father or The Holy Ghost it is in the third person. Third, Jesus did manifest Himself to the Apostles after the resurrection. Also with in the same verse you have the plurality in that both Jesus and the Father will love the person. Also you have to remember the Apostle's did not really know who Jesus was at that time. It is a reaccuring theme in the Gospels, that it did not dawn on the Apostle's that Jesus really is the Son of God. The Holy Spirit was there and had been there from the beginning for it was He who guided the authors of the Bible, but since the Apostle's did not fully comprehend what Jesus had been telling them it is fully possible that they did know him and did not know him at the same time.</font>[/QUOTE]

I disagree, Holy Ghost is the name of the third person of the Trinity and that the Father is the name of the First person of the Trinity as revealed by Jesus and the Apostles. </font>[/QUOTE]So, what now does Jesus have two names. Is The "SON" the Name of Jesus?

Chemitz give up man you have a hole in the bottom of your bucket with this whole trinity theory[b/]

 

Don, you just pointed out something absolutely brilliant, yet so simple I completely overlooked it.

Main Entry: 2manifest
Function: transitive verb
Date: 14th century
: to make evident or certain by showing or displaying

-meriam webster

εμφανιζω 1. To lay open to view
2. to provide information
BDAG

I can't believe I missed this, when He says that He will manifest Himself, He does not mean that He will appear. Rather He will make Himself known. Which means that who ever loves Him will know Him for who He is. It has nothing to do with the appearance of the Comforter.</font>[/QUOTE]Jesus says, John 14:18: I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you (19) yet a little while and the world seeth me no more but ye see me: b/c I live, ye shall live also. (20)At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU (21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father and I will love him and will manifest myself to him.

Now Christ said that He would manifest himself to them. According to what you are saying the scripture would have to read "and the Holy Spirit will manifest myself to them".

Jesus is plainly stateing that He would make himself known to them. The HOly Spirit is not another Person, but is God himself.

1718 emphanizo {em-fan-id'-zo}
from 1717; TDNT - 9:7,1244; v

AV - inform 3, be manifest 2, appear 2, signify 1, show 1,
declare plainly 1; 10

1) to manifest, exhibit to view
2) to show one's self, come to view, appear, be manifest
3) to indicate, disclose, declare, make known

The Son is not another Person that God used to makehim self known.

John 10:31-33 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

The Jews had it a little backwards, He was not a man that had made himself God, but he was a God that had made himself man.

Godbless.

btw chemitz you never answered my questions. Is the Son the Name of Jesus?

 

The Son is a name that Jesus used to address Himself

If we are going to address unanswered questions how about the bunch you never answered that I asked? Like, did God die? How do you reconcile God's name as only Jesus when the Greek is quite clear that it is multiple names? Why does Jesus refer to the Father and the Holy Spirit in the third person and vis versa? Is Jesus a schizophrenic and not really God as the Oneness theologians say when they are forced to address Jesus's prayers?</font>[/QUOTE]Did God Die? No God did not Die. His flesh died but God did not. God is a Spirit and the only way for God to die was for him to make himself a human body that had flesh and blood.

How do you reconcile God's name as only Jesus when the Greek is quite clear that it is multiple names? Are you speaking of Jehovah Jira (I am provider) Jehovah Shalom (I am your peace), Jehovah Nisse (I am your banner), Jehovah Rophe (I am your healer) and so on? What does the Name of Jesus Mean? Now how do I reconcile God's Name as only Jesus? I dont but the bible does in Acts 4:12 and Coll 3:17.

Why does Jesus refer to the Father and the Holy Spirit in the third person and vis versa? I dont know, Why does he refer to the Father, and Holy Ghost in the First Person as well?

Is Jesus a schizophrenic and not really God as the Oneness theologians say when they are forced to address Jesus's prayers? Well according the the Doctrine of the Trinity, Trinitarians make God out to be Schizophrenic. Reveiw your Translatoin of Gen 1:26. And God said let us Make man in our own Image. Is God Speaking to himself here? Isnt that schizophrenic. Have you ever worked on something and thought to yourself "Let's See" and you were the only one there. What does that phrase "Let's See" mean? Let us see. I know I have said it and I probably would go a bit farther to say you have. Does that make us Schizophrenic?

BTW the Son is not a name that Jesus used. It was a Title. Why is Jesus Called the Son of God? GO ahead and read Luke 1:35. And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: THEREFORE also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the SON OF GOD

The Bible never uses the terms/phrase God the son. He is always referred to as the Son of God.

God bless

 

So you are saying the Bible lied and that really wasn't God who died on the cross.

You might want to actually read what you are using as evidence. Those are the names of places and altars.

Doesn't answer the question. Now stop dodging the question and actually answer it.

Since we believe that God has three persons, he would not be schizophrenic. Particularly since we believe it is insight to the conversation between the three. So actually talking amoungst themselves doesn't a schizophrenic make.

Actually when I have said it there is always somebody else in mind, I am not talking to myself. If you are honest with yourself you will realize that when ever that phrase is used it is indirectly directed at somebody outside of yourself.

To be honest calling your interpretations of Jesus's prays and references to the other persons of the Trinity schizophrenia is just too kind. When it comes down to it, you all just go right ahead and deny the divinity of Christ. If you are honest with yourself you will realize that everytime you say that wasn't God on the cross or that wasn't really God praying you are denying that Jesus is God.

Then why did Jesus claim that The Son is a name??? Don't give me that line about name being singular, because the Greek does not support that answer. If you even want to attempt to refute that you are going to have to do it in the Greek.

You don't know or do you just not to admit that I am right. He doesn't, He is very consistant in refering to the Father and the Holy Spirit in third person.</font>[/QUOTE]So you are saying the Bible lied and that really wasn't God who died on the cross. [/QUOTE]

Yes it was God on the cross. But the Eternal Spirit of God that was in that Flesh did not die. The Son of God Died.

You might want to actually read what you are using as evidence. Those are the names of places and altars. </font>[/QUOTE]Look I dont know alot about this, I am studying it now, but Jehovah Jira, Shalom, Nisse were titles for what ever God was doing for them at that Time. When he provided for them he was called Jehovah Jira for example

Then what definition of One God are you useing.

Then everytime that you say God is Three Persons you really mean there are three Gods. God was praying to himself.

He did not claim that son was a Name. He said baptize them in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost