Jerry Moon
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Three People in the God head??? It is what the Bible teaches!
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Jerry Moon
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You need to study your history better. The work of Basil the Great and Gregory focused on the relationship of the Holy Spirit. Also Luther acknowledged Holy Spirit as the third person of the Trinity and he died before the finish of the council of trent. Go back and study your history before you make any claims.</font>[/QUOTE]It goes all the way back to Babylon. The Jews brought it with them when they come our of Babylon and it's been passed right on to the church.
Jerry Moon
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John 14:16-18
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
KJV
Jesus was clearly talking about the Holy Ghost and then to top it off, he says that he will come to us...
John 14:26
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV
The Holy Ghost was to come in Christ name... now I can't come in someone elses name...
John 16:7
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
KJV
The Holy Ghost could not come while Jesus was there.... why? Because the Holy Ghost is not another person...
Jerry Moon
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So according to you the Bible was written by the Babylonians.</font>[/QUOTE]No acording to history, the doctrine of the trinity come from Babylon... the Bible teaches Monotheism.
So you really are saying the Bible was written by the Babylonians(i was hoping I read that wrong), because the Trinity is taught quite clearly in the Bible. BTW the Trinitarian doctrine teaches that there is only One God.
Ever thought he was refering to the visitations after the resurrection?
Sure you can, people do it all the time. What do you think ambassadors, negotiators, and lawyers do.
Why because Jesus had to go back to the Father.
Tell me why then would Jesus refer to the Father and the Holy Spirit as seperate persons if they weren't.
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Jerry Moon
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So you really are saying the Bible was written by the Babylonians</font>[/QUOTE]It's quite easy to understand how you could miss-understand the word of God and find teachings on three gods in it's pages when you can not even understand what I just said... you'll find no where in my post where I say that the Babylonians wrote the Bible...
Jerry Moon
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Ever thought he was refering to the visitations after the resurrection?
[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]It can only be taken that way if you don't use the Bible to interpet the Bible. It's easy to take one scripture out of context....
First of all, I do not believe that the Bible teaches three gods as you claim I do. I believe in one God in three persons. By claiming that the Trinity is a Babylonian teaching you are implying that the Bible is written by the Babylonians.
I noticed you do it so easily. Your interpretation would work if it wasn't for the fact that Jesus always refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Third person.
SolaScriptura
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(1 John 5:7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
One person cannot constitute 3 witnesses. Therefore we know that since the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are 3 witnesses, they are also 3 persons. Yet, at the same time they are only one God. This is so simple!
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One person cannot constitute 3 witnesses. Therefore we know that since the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are 3 witnesses, they are also 3 persons. Yet, at the same time they are only one God. This is so simple!
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1Peter4:11
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you'd think.
too bad they won't listen to what we're saying, but instead transpose what they've been taught we believe over what we're saying.
not three gods.
one God.
three persons.
too bad they won't listen to what we're saying, but instead transpose what they've been taught we believe over what we're saying.
not three gods.
one God.
three persons.
SolaScriptura
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I fail to see how this is so hard.
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Jerry Moon
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Three persons as in a play? A one man in a play might go back and put on a mask and come out as one person in the play, then go back and come out as another person... one man, but two, three or four persons... is this what you mean by three persons? This is the same thing that I mean when I say manifestations...
Mr. Moon, it has been brought up many, many times before. Jesus, while walking on this earth, was God in the flesh; yet scripture records Him as saying "my Father in heaven who sent me."
Upon being baptized because His Father (our Father) required it, the heavens opened up, and a voice said, "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased."
Either God existed in Heaven at the same time as Jesus walked the earth, or God in the flesh "threw His voice" to give people the impression there was still a God in the heavens, and the same God in the flesh lied about who sent Him and where He was.
I have yet to see a Oneness Pentecostal reconcile this.
Upon being baptized because His Father (our Father) required it, the heavens opened up, and a voice said, "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased."
Either God existed in Heaven at the same time as Jesus walked the earth, or God in the flesh "threw His voice" to give people the impression there was still a God in the heavens, and the same God in the flesh lied about who sent Him and where He was.
I have yet to see a Oneness Pentecostal reconcile this.
Don, Don, Don,
God did exist at the same time in heaven while he walked on the earth. Does that mean that God is split in two b/c he can be in all places at one time?
Don, Im disapointed in you. You know the importance of the Name, but you fail to use it. I have shown you many times what the bible says. YOu have told me your self that the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus.
Are you going to let chemitz take that away from you. Look You have shown me stuff I have never understood. You have shown me stuff that I have never been taught in 4 years in one post and I have shown you something in one sentence that you understood that Chemitz has been trying to figure out all his life. Dont let him take that away from you.
The bible says that "my people will perish for a lack of knowledge" Don you have it man,
God bless
(and btw Chemitz, I know my spelling stinks and I will probably perish b/c of my lack of knowledge of knowing how to spell, but I can still spell the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
JESUS
Jerry Moon, if you have not noticed we all have a unique relationship on this board, we all pick around so dont think that we are bashing each other, and if we do bash each other we only stay mad for a minute
God bless
[ June 11, 2002, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]
And yet, you didn't address my post.
Don't misunderstand me, either: Jesus is God is not up for debate. Jesus is a distinct, separate person from the Father is also not up for debate.
Oneness, the thing the Oneness Pentecostals have not been able to reconcile is a god who would lie about himself. Jesus said "I and my Father are one"; He specifically says "my Father" in that statement. Jesus specifically says "my Father who sent me." Jesus specifically says "my Father who is in heaven."
What you're saying, when you deny the fact of the Trinity, is that we have the self-proclaimed Son of God lying to us. Why would God feel it necessary to proclaim Himself in heaven if He was standing there before us? Why would God proclaim it necessary to say, "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased," if He was the object of the statement right there before us?
God is not the author of confusion; a god who lies is necessarily a god of confusion. We who understand the mystery, understand the Trinity.
I have fingers, a thumb, and a palm at the end of my right arm. Each individual, each separate. All together, they are one entity: my hand.
As Sola pointed out, this isn't hard--unless you just choose to reject the concept, and refuse to see the scriptures that clearly point out three separate entities at one time.
Luke 3:22 specifically says that Jesus came up out of the water; the Holy Ghost descended like a dove; and a voice from heaven spoke words.
Only a god of confusion would deem it necessary to give three impressions of Himself at the same time if He was only one.
Don't misunderstand me, either: Jesus is God is not up for debate. Jesus is a distinct, separate person from the Father is also not up for debate.
Oneness, the thing the Oneness Pentecostals have not been able to reconcile is a god who would lie about himself. Jesus said "I and my Father are one"; He specifically says "my Father" in that statement. Jesus specifically says "my Father who sent me." Jesus specifically says "my Father who is in heaven."
What you're saying, when you deny the fact of the Trinity, is that we have the self-proclaimed Son of God lying to us. Why would God feel it necessary to proclaim Himself in heaven if He was standing there before us? Why would God proclaim it necessary to say, "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased," if He was the object of the statement right there before us?
God is not the author of confusion; a god who lies is necessarily a god of confusion. We who understand the mystery, understand the Trinity.
I have fingers, a thumb, and a palm at the end of my right arm. Each individual, each separate. All together, they are one entity: my hand.
As Sola pointed out, this isn't hard--unless you just choose to reject the concept, and refuse to see the scriptures that clearly point out three separate entities at one time.
Luke 3:22 specifically says that Jesus came up out of the water; the Holy Ghost descended like a dove; and a voice from heaven spoke words.
Only a god of confusion would deem it necessary to give three impressions of Himself at the same time if He was only one.
MissAbbyIFBaptist
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Yes, the bible teaches about the trinity. Jhon 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The "Word" is refering to Jesus,and the Holy Spirtit is mentioned when Jesus is going back into Heaven and He talks of the "Comforter" coming, witch is the Holy Ghost.
{by the way, not to start a debate or anything, but you recieve the Holy Spirit the moment you get saved, not with the gift of tounges or anything like that.}
yes, it's hard to understand 3 in 1, but the Bible teaches it, and the Bible is perfect. I don't claim to understand the whole Bible,{by the way, if any of you do, I want to meet you.} But what I don't understand, I take as God's word. I don't understand how God is 3 in 1 but God said it, I believe it and it's so.
God is not the author of confusion, and He can't lie. [see Titus 1:2} SO if He said it, I will take His word for it {faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.}
In our Saviour,
Abby
{by the way, not to start a debate or anything, but you recieve the Holy Spirit the moment you get saved, not with the gift of tounges or anything like that.}
yes, it's hard to understand 3 in 1, but the Bible teaches it, and the Bible is perfect. I don't claim to understand the whole Bible,{by the way, if any of you do, I want to meet you.} But what I don't understand, I take as God's word. I don't understand how God is 3 in 1 but God said it, I believe it and it's so.
God is not the author of confusion, and He can't lie. [see Titus 1:2} SO if He said it, I will take His word for it {faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.}
In our Saviour,
Abby
I have understood the Bible since the time that I could read. My recent studies have only led me to greater insight and to a sure knowledge that oneness theologians have missed the point. The problem is you are relying on evidence that does not exist. The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. Jesus made it quite clear that he is the Son, and that He is not the Holy Spirit, nor is He the Father.