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KenH
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Whatever, dude.
From what I have seen there are no standardized tests for antibodies. I suspect the boosters will be given at intervals to keep immunization up (I got a booster 6 months after my second dose even though it's estimated that Moderna is still over 75% effective after 6 months and Pfizer about 50% effective).
A good question is why an antibody test would not provide evidence of minimum protection. And after a couple of weeks, why would an antibody test not fine the antibody response from the vaccine? Something is rotten in Denmark...
As a preventive measure to, What? Why does there even need to be, proof of vaccination?
I did not know the anti covid vaxers believed the earth is flat .I have not been vaxed but as far as I know, I believe the earth is round.
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I wonder why, GOD, created man with white blood cells? What are they for? Were they there before Adam sinned or did they evolve after Adam sinned?
I wonder?????????????
It is simple.
Covid has proven to be a dangerous and highly contagious virus. The vacvines have riven to be effective in slowing the spread of covid, in preventing infection, and if infected in mitugati g the seriousness of the illness. The vacvines have proven an effective tool in preventing death. The vaccine has been proven to be more effective than natural immunity. The vaccine is also more measurable and consistent than natural immunity.
Since the vaccine is effective in preventing the spread of covid and the virus is a respiratory virus which is easily spread the risk of covid spreadi g through contact with other human beings is less among vaccinated people.
I never said you believed the earth is flat. I said there are those who reject science (who reject what is known about the virus and vaccine...see above) in favor of their "science".
We had a member who does not even think the covid virus has been isolated for Pete's sake. Another believes genome sequencing is a myth. Yet another believes covid is just influenza. Another believes mRNA is gene therapy. Another that the vaccines change our DNA. Toss in the belief that covid is a new age conspiracy theory for population control and Freemasons ate in control (Another view e pressed by our members) and flat-earthwrs ate more scientific than the anti-covid-vaxers on this board.
That was a short cut (the type of anti-covid-vaxers we have). It was indeed an insult and for that I do owe an apology to the flat-earthers. At least they haven't rejected the traditional method of tracking varients by genome sequencing (something you wrote off as a myth).Yep no insult There is there
I think before, but interesting question. We're lions and tigers created with fangs? We're birds always camouflaged to their environment? What about vultures?
Think about it. Showing high efficacy. Why is there a need for a booster? What happened to the other high efficacy of the original?
The efficiency diminishs with time. Same has proven true with natural immunity (which is significantly diminished after 6 months).
yes? The efficiency of any sort of immunity will diminish over time but it sounds especially short when it comes to covid's natural immunity or the shot(s). There can be another variant as well.
It is time to move on, covid is over but I never have been able to see the fascination with it so many have - almost every thread is about covid here. Just let that ghoul go back to torturing defenseless beagles with sandflies in the name of science, of course.
It is time to move on, covid is over but I never have been able to see the fascination with it so many have - almost every thread is about covid here. Just let that ghoul go back to torturing defenseless beagles with sandflies in the name of science, of course.
definitely NOT true.
Perhaps it's WANTED to be true by some ... but recovering from CV19 is the best immunity. The lack of current antibodies does NOT mean no immunity. We are exposed to pathogens CONSTANTLY ... and in a cell-mediated response (stage 2 if you will from the 'innate") the virus is "logged" by the B-Cells and ready to produce that antibody again. We do not continually produce antibodies against pathogens we've experienced in our lifetime. Doesn't mean we no longer have immunity.
The antibody production for CV19 DOES diminish after a period of time ... until there's a subsequent challenge, then production resumes again. That's immunity.
What I didn't see in 8 pages ... is that in the first 4 weeks of post cv vax, the body sheds the spike proteins it has generated. IOW ... the cv vaxed need to be masking/quarantining for up to 4 weeks. Not because of contagion but because of damaging another's lungs.
<raises hand> experience.
I do not rule out possibilities, but the studies state otherwise.
The study of the JJ vacvine showed natural immunity provided more longevity as far as antibodies but the JJ provided the sane or better immunization due to the virus diminishing t-celks while the JJ vaccine increased t-cells. Their conclusion was focus should move from antibodies to t-cells.
Regardless, both immunity acquired via vacvine and natural immunity diminish significantly after 6 months.
Those with natural immunity are over twice as likely to be reinfected than those who are vaccinated.
Considering natural immunity has the higher antibody numbers, Of course the conversation will shift to something else.
not a bad idea ... but this isn't where the "accepted" science is being trumpeted. "No antibodies, no immunity" when a HS health class teaches otherwise. It's amazing how we've simply succumbed to the marketing of those who've used tax payer money to fund gain-of-research ... and then recently that dastardly experimentation on dogs.
getting reinfected after a prior recovery is a non-event.
The experience of India is demonstrating this ... and conversely, the high percentage cv vaxed Israel is foretelling by a few months of the US's next problem.
The jabs do not work. natural immunity works. early treatment to gain natural immunity ... works.
Staying home until you turn blue does NOT work.
That's the thing. Both natural immunity and the vaccine produces antibodies. With natural immunity the antibodies depend on the severity of infection. For a mild case the vaccine produces more, not less, antibodies. But for a more severe case natural immunity has more antibodies. Both decline, though, with the vacvine lagging only 2 months behind natural immunity.
Accepted science, however, has focused on t-cells to prevent future infections.
T-Cells & COVID-19: Penn Study Shows Robust T-Cell Response to Vaccine
T cells recognize recent SARS-CoV-2 variants
Antibodies and T cells protect against SARS-CoV-2
A simple T-cell test to show the full picture of body's immune response to COVID-19: A rapid way to track an elusive part of the immune system will bring better vaccine strategies
Delayed Antibody and T-Cell Response to BNT162b2 Vaccination in the Elderly, Germany
Immune Memory after COVID-19
the cv vax "immunity" is based upon the spike protein of the Alpha strain.
natural immunity includes the entire virus ... which also provides for the Delta and subsequent. This is a significant advantage. Nevermind that vaxing during the pandemic was a terrible idea.
When do we start sticking folks with the flu shot? January? NO. NOW. a few months before the low vitamin D season and susceptibility to influenza.
I think natural immunity has done more to dampen the current situation than all the cv vaxes combined. See the Amish. They didn't "flatten the curve" they dove noggin first into the deep end back in the spring '20. By the summer of '20, they were DONE with it.
The rest of us ... languishing over Fauxchi's next address.
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