To KJBO's and old style music folk

[TomVols]

As far as theology for the KJV or old songs, it's rare to hear theology for the KJV and rarer still to hear theology for old songs (that usually aren't all that old, maybe 50-100 years). So I think we have to qualify our words a bit. Old songs generally aren't that old. People look at me funny when I tell them when Martin Luther wrote "A Mighty Fortress is Our God," but I'm usually dismissed for liking "fancy church music" instead of "church music for real Christians."

Anyway.......onto something better:

Amy wrote:

Great sermon! :thumbs:

It sounded a lot like my pastor who preaches against what he calls the "I, me, my" philosophy this world is caught up in (even in the church). You would think certain people in my own church might listen to him, wouldn't you?

It seems that we have forgotten that we are ALL sinners in need of a Savior and Paul said it best:


Philippians 2:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;

Say it, sister! :thumbs: That was my dad's favorite verse. Something he lived every day until God called him home a year and a half ago.

 

[Salty]

Salty, your post is an example of what I mean...I just stated my preferences and choices, which are not open to argument, but you insist on arguing. I will pray for you.

You don't seem to understand where I am coming from. Previously you stated "it is the ONLY Bible I have ever owned, .... I don't need another version, ...."
I have no problem with someone who enjoys using the KJV, but if you try to use another version, one of two things will happen - either you will find another version can supplement the KJ, or it will strengthen you desire to want to only use the KJV.
The question I am asking is how do you know you do not need another version.

Suppose I took you to the ice cream stand and you asked for chocolate because that is the only flavor you ever had and you don't need another flavor. After much coaching, you finally decide to try strawberry - and you love it! It doesn't mean you can never have chocolate again, but not you can enjoy two.
All I'm asking is how do you know you would not like the other versions.

 

[sag38]

Mrs. Corbett has the corner on Christian music and evidently the Bible too. To disagree is to be in rebellion against God.

 

[dcorbett]

I am praying for him because he always wants to argue.

Gina and I are fine...she knows where
I am coming from and accepts me as I am. Others call me ignorant and want me to change, and I do not appreciate it, and I won't stand for being called ignorant.

 

[dcorbett]

Salty, I have read my son's parallel KJV/NIV....and I am so much more just for KJV as a result....thanks for asking!

 

[dcorbett]

Mrs. Corbett has the corner on Christian music and evidently the Bible too. To disagree is to be in rebellion against God.

I am Mrs. McHenry, thanks. Is your name Mr. Sag? I don't go by "handles" when deciding what a person's real name is.

And I detect a high amount of sarcasm in your post. Is sarcasm necessary because I posted my preferences and my opinion?

 

[dcorbett]

Gina, I am glad you posted your feelings and your preferences. Thank you for sharing, and I am sorry this thread has degenerated into an argument. I know that your heart is in the right place.

We agree to disagree on some things, and I know we are both going to Heaven!!!


Love to you -
Debbie Mc

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

The question I am asking is how do you know you do not need another version.

To me it is simple to see how someone can say 'The KJV is all I need.' If they have spent their whole life reading, studying, and meditating on that version why would they 'need' anything else? If a person is not interested in other versions then I am sure God will give them all they need from the one they use.

 

[sag38]

Sorry Ms. McHenry. There as no sarcasm intended. I actually thought that was your name.

When I am in church and I hear different styles of music I'm not looking for reasons not to like it. If it is wrong it will quickly become evident. I've heard traditional and contemporary that was wrong. But, it wasn't the music style but it was the one singing or performing. It was all about a show and self. Other times I've heard God praised and lifted up. I didn't hear so called "rock music," country music," "traditional music....." Rather I hear God praised. Styles don't say to me "worldly" or this is of church. They don't remind me of my past. That happens when I turn on the radio.

 

[Pastor_Bob]

There are tirades on both sides.

We Christians as a whole have lost our love for one another. Period, end of story. We only have "love" for those who look like us, think like us and believe like us.

This was very well said; thank you. :thumbsup:

Often times, even when I agree with one's position, I distance myself from them because of their disposition. It has never been more true than in the version debate. It is my opinion that there is solid defense for the KJV without resorting to ad hominem tactics.

 

[TomVols]

This was very well said; thank you. :thumbsup:

Often times, even when I agree with one's position, I distance myself from them because of their disposition. It has never been more true than in the version debate. It is my opinion that there is solid defense for the KJV without resorting to ad hominem tactics.

To quote a great writer:

This was very well said; thank you. :thumbsup:


:smilewinkgrin:

 

[tinytim]

Salty, your post is an example of what I mean...I just stated my preferences and choices, which are not open to argument, but you insist on arguing. I will pray for you.

But on another thread you say this...

I left Southern Baptist churches when they started arguing over women being Pastors and music being contemporary and started using modern transliterations of the Bible.

So I didn't doubt for a minute that there could be a fight in the convention on such a topic. I bet there are those that would step forward and say "why not" - just like they did on Bible versions, on women Pastors and non-traditional music, all of which is to please "the world" and not to please the Lord.

Don't you see how you harm your brothers and sisters when you condescend to us that use MVs, and worship to P&W? This is what Gina is talking about.

Surely you don't mean that listening to "non-traditional music" is not pleasing the Lord...

Surely you don't think that reading MVs is not pleasing the Lord...

Do you?

If so, prove it from your KJV. otherwise, you are speaking for the Lord...
And I bet he doesn't appreciate you condemning his children.

 

[Aaron]

Don't you see how you harm your brothers and sisters when you condescend to us that use MVs, and worship to P&W?

Holy cow. "Harm?" Are you serious? Are MV and P&W folks THAT sensitive?

We men have a word for that.

 

[tinytim]

Yes, Aaron, harm.

Wanna share your word with us?

 

[dcorbett]

I don't see how my preferences harm anyone else.

I honestly believe, without sarcasm or disrespect, that P&W music that I have learned to call "7 to 11 songs" are meant to be a mechanism for trance-like response by those who raise their hands in the air and start uttering glossalalia over and over, like a Jimmy Swaggart service.

And I don't know why people get so upset with me when I say I don't want to use any other version of the Bible??? My Daddy was a Southern Baptist deacon, and the King James Bible is all he ever used or needed. I was brought up loving the poetry and beauty of the King James Bible. I don't see why people get so bent out of shape when I say it is the only version I want. I DO feel that we are selling out to the world in many ways....giving in to what the world wants, not what the Bible says.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I honestly believe, without sarcasm or disrespect, that P&W music that I have learned to call "7 to 11 songs" are meant to be a mechanism for trance-like response by those who raise their hands in the air and start uttering glossalalia over and over, like a Jimmy Swaggart service.

It sounds like you have not seen 'P&W' except in the most extreme cases. I don't particularly like much of it myself but do minister in places where it is used. Quite often it is only played on a guitar, maybe with a keyboard. Much of it is packed with Biblical truth and deep theology. The '7 to 11' idea has been overworked. While some of the songs do use repetition to an extreme it is unfair to paint app P&W with the same broad brush. Many of our favourite hymns also use repetition.

While I don't really 'like' it I disagree that is is 'meant to be a mechanism' to put people in a trance.

It is no more right to judge 'P&W' music than it is to judge your translation choice.

 

[Sapper Woody]

They really do think that they are right... As for the Bible, again they are convinced that they are right.!

As does every poster on this forum, whether they are KJVO or MV. Honestly, do you think you are wrong?

As for attitude in presentation, we are to be "...in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves." In this case, "themselves" being the rest of the body of Christ.

Christ often stated things like they were with a harsh message. But He only did this to the current religious crowd of the day that hated Him. He was full of compassion when someone came to him in earnest, wanting to learn.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I DO feel that we are selling out to the world in many ways....giving in to what the world wants, not what the Bible says.

What does the Bible say about music styles and translations?

These are abiblical issues. Therefore it is incumbent that each believer prayerfully consider their choice in translations or style of music. Because we as Baptist hold to the precept of 'individual soul liberty' we need to give each other the right to hold to their view without condemnation when the choices are not addressed by scripture.

There are vital biblical truths where we must stand and 'earnestly contend for the faith.' Choice of music style and translation choice are not those issues. It is time we learned to appreciate each other's rights to make out decisions in those areas. We have a much bigger battle to fight, and if Satan can keep our eyes on the petty squabbles he can distract us from the real fight.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I honestly believe, without sarcasm or disrespect, that P&W music that I have learned to call "7 to 11 songs" are meant to be a mechanism for trance-like response by those who raise their hands in the air and start uttering glossalalia over and over, like a Jimmy Swaggart service.

Here is one of my favorite P&W songs- no 7-11 to it and it is more scriptural than many hymns.

In Christ Alone lyrics




Lyrics: In Christ alone my hope is found,
He is my light, my strength, my song;
this Cornerstone, this solid Ground,
firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
when fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My Comforter, my All in All,
here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone! who took on flesh
Fulness of God in helpless babe!
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones he came to save:
Till on that cross as Jesus died,
The wrath of God was satisfied -
For every sin on Him was laid;
Here in the death of Christ I live.

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain:
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave he rose again!
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me,
For I am His and He is mine -
Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

No guilt in life, no fear in death,
This is the power of Christ in me;
From life's first cry to final breath.
Jesus commands my destiny.
No power of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home,
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand.

 

[Aaron]

I don't see how my preferences harm anyone else.

They don't. and neither does anyone's statement of his belief about these things. Despite all the whining by the one side, you should know by now that it wouldn't matter if one's words were dripping in honey. Just the mere suggestion that one of them might be doing something wrong will trigger an avalanche of hostility, which, in their minds, is perfectly justified.

And what really sets them off is, we don't crybaby about it.