Tradition or Scripture

[Dave G]

Sure we should - but that while we are talking in person - says nothing about BB or other media.

I see that as regarding any communication among believers.

So some Traditions are okay? but who determines which ones are okay.
sounds like you are advocating that we should not have church buildings - and just meet in homes. and use the rent money for missions.....

Yes, I do...
But it sounds to me as if you don't agree, and we will have to leave it at that.

I will say this...
For the life of me, I cannot figure out why you don't see anything wrong with "bigger is better", or some things just plain "ought-not-be" and are rather pointless.

Take for example, that link to the Labyrinth...you don't see anything wrong with imitating a Catholic shrine at a Baptist church?
In wasting all that time and effort on something that people are going to have to abandon when they pass from this life to the next?

"Take up your cross and follow me..."
"It is more blessed to give, than to receive..."

Why not keep things small and "subdued", and use the resources for the body of Christ?
What about using that money for more godly purposes...
For things that will last in the eternal sense, and giving it to brothers and sisters that are in need?
To me it's the same with traditions, and the practices of them.

Do you not see where our priorities are at, and where they should be?

 

[Salty]

...Take for example, that link to the Labyrinth...you don't see anything wrong with imitating a Catholic shrine at a Baptist church?
In wasting all that time and effort on something that people are going to have to abandon when they pass from this life to the next? ...

There are lots of things that Catholics do that Baptists also do.

Just because a Catholic does something - does not mean it is wrong.

Thanks to you, I may just go up and visit that Labyrinth!

 

[Salty]

and maybe our priorities should be witnessing and discipling!
and maybe a lot less time on BB

 

[Dave G]

There are lots of things that Catholics do that Baptists also do.

Just because a Catholic does something - does not mean it is wrong.

Thanks to you, I may just go up and visit that Labyrinth!

But I see that there are a lot of things that Catholics ( and others ) do that we as "Baptist" Christians shouldn't even be concerned about, IMO.

That said, it seems that we are on completely different wavelengths on this matter.
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, my friend.

I wish you well, and may God bless you.

 

[Salty]

But I see that there are a lot of things that Catholics ( and others ) do that we as "Baptist" Christians shouldn't even be concerned about, IMO.

To what extant do we take that - Do you refuse to celebrate Christmas - since that means "Christs Mass", which of course is Roman Catholic .[/QUOTE]


That said, it seems that we are on completely different wavelengths on this matter.
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, my friend.
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I agree we are on different wavelengths
But as far as agreeing or disagree - I have no ideal - because - I'm not sure what we even disagree on.

 

[Yeshua1]

But I see that there are a lot of things that Catholics ( and others ) do that we as "Baptist" Christians shouldn't even be concerned about, IMO.

That said, it seems that we are on completely different wavelengths on this matter.
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, my friend.

I wish you well, and may God bless you.

Such as what that we do not observe as Catholics do?

 

[asterisktom]

Baptists are noted for placing the pulpit between the alter table and the baptistery.
Is that tradition or is there Scripture support?

Baptists are also noted for the alter call/invitation prior to the concluding prayer.
Is that tradition or is there Scripture support?

What other items might Baptists regularly engage that may be tradition or may have a Scriptural base?

With all due respect, I was disappointed by the discussion. The broader subject of Scripture vs. man-made tradition would have been an excellent topic.

 

[canadyjd]

and maybe our priorities should be witnessing and discipling!
and maybe a lot less time on BB

Judging by some of the posts I see, you might think some on the BB believe they are witnessing to unbelievers. LOL

Or at least discipling immature Christians with proper understanding of doctrines.

It’s so much easier than meeting folks face to face.

Peace to you

 

[1689Dave]

I think going to church detracts from true worship because it is in and of itself a ritual. It always struck me as people "Playing Church" just as little kids "Play House".

The early church house meetings would be more akin to a group of believers meeting at Micky D's and sharing a meal and giving thanks together while sharing the word with no visible "clergy". Only the roles God called each to.

 

[just-want-peace]

Man-o-man, has this thread has got my cerebral juices flowing!!
Dave G, I'm probably far more in agreement with you than not, as I can remember thinking much along these lines when a young teen - 85 now.
I have always hated, HATED formality and loved a simple approach to most anything; especially worship!
Haven't really considered many of the specifics dealt with so far, but look forward to learning more of the concepts by board members!! It does seem, IMHO, that "worship" has become too ritualistic in the modern world - 'course each individual is responsible for his approach & attitude regardless of the format!?
Hope this thread doesn't drift into the ditch like so many with potential do!!

 

[Dave G]

Hope this thread doesn't drift into the ditch like so many with potential do!!

Honestly,
I would prefer that it ended and the subject never came up again, due to the subject's popularity.

This is my third time, I believe, in participating in recent threads with this or a similar topic, and to me, there's no point in continuing something that gathers the same set of amazed ( and often shocked and offended ) responses to my posts every time that it comes up.
It's as if many have never read the book of Acts and the epistles and realized, as I have, that ( for example ) the largest institution of professing Christians worldwide is the product of centuries of unbiblical teachings and man-made ( and even pagan ) traditions and practices that were brought into it.

The very same thing has happened to the "Protestant" churches over the past 500 years or so, and it's getting worse by the decade, IMO.
As I see it, the Baptists were the last hold-out... and even those are fast disappearing over the past 200 years ( it's become very bad the last 50 years ) in the face of tradition versus Scripture.

Several people have asked me where I would "draw lines", and I generally tell them that I draw them where I see the Bible drawing them...
I look at the "spirit" of the Scriptures, and not the "letter" of them.

Since it seems that this subject is such a shock to some, I've decided not to reply any further...
and if possible, to refrain from making my opinions known about it in future threads.


I wish God's blessings upon each of you.

 

[Van]

One baptist distinctive the rejection of man-made creeds and confessions like those heralded by Calvinists. (WCF) Another would reject Limited Atonement, as Christ died as a ransom for all. Another is a church polity like congregationalists.

 

[Yeshua1]

One baptist distinctive the rejection of man-made creeds and confessions like those heralded by Calvinists. (WCF) Another would reject Limited Atonement, as Christ died as a ransom for all. Another is a church polity like congregationalists.

Particular Baptists would disagree with you on this!

 

[Van]

Particular Baptists would disagree with you on this!

Particular Baptists do not adhere to our baptist distinctives... They are Calvinists

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Particular Baptists do not adhere to our baptist distinctives... They are Calvinists

What are your Baptist distinctives? Aren't you aware that there are more varieties of Baptists than there are Baskin-Robbins flavors?

 

[agedman]

A tradition that has been part of the typical Baptist church is the “invitation” song sometimes called the “altar call.”

There is no Scripture for such, but (imo) it came from the work of the revivalists of both Methodist (Jones), Presbyterians (Sunday, Finney), and Baptist (Rice, Graham). Though Graham was late to the field, but propagated what he had learned.

 

[Alcott]

What are your Baptist distinctives? Aren't you aware that there are more varieties of Baptists than there are Baskin-Robbins flavors?

So there are more than thirty-one-derful varieties of Baptists?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I think going to church detracts from true worship because it is in and of itself a ritual. It always struck me as people "Playing Church" just as little kids "Play House".

The early church house meetings would be more akin to a group of believers meeting at Micky D's and sharing a meal and giving thanks together while sharing the word with no visible "clergy". Only the roles God called each to.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't 'read' your face.

 

[1689Dave]

Are you being sarcastic? I can't 'read' your face.

Study the early church in Acts and the Epistles, and then try to find anything that resembles it in today's methods of worship. We are closer to Catholicism than to Christianity.

 

[Yeshua1]

Study the early church in Acts and the Epistles, and then try to find anything that resembles it in today's methods of worship. We are closer to Catholicism than to Christianity.

We are VERY different from the church of Rome in worship, no Eucharist, no programing to saints and Mary, no holmolies etc!