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Yet another false claim, anyone can say they adhere to the baptist distinctives, but no matter the name, people who do not believe in the word of God are not Baptists.
Calvinists say Jesus did not die as a ransom for all.
Calvinists say God does not desire all people to be saved.
Calvinists say God did not choose for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.
I could go on and on...
Sorry Van, but while I am not a Calvinist, my Baptist DNA is rooted in the Particular Baptists of the late 18th Century. The split between Missionary and Anti-Missionary came in the early 19th Century. If you aren't descended from the Particulars then you come out of the Free Willers (General).
Particulars are Calvinists and do not adhere to the baptist distinctives.
Calvinists say Jesus did not die as a ransom for all. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God does not desire all people to be saved. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God did not choose for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth. What do Particulars say?
A skunk by any other name would stink the same.
Yet another false charge from the Calvinists. The Baptist distinctives preclude being an actual baptist, only a BINO.
Utterly false claim. Calvinists are not "real Baptists" as they reject God's word such as Christ died as a ransom for all.
RipponRedeaux
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I doubt that Van is even familiar with Albert Henry Newman's A Manual of Church History, volume 2. And I'd wager he's never opened the pages of George Park Fisher's History of The Christian Church. Both books review a great deal of Baptist history which he is unacquainted with.
No.
Why, with all this vast knowledge, why not answer the questions?
Calvinists say Jesus did not die as a ransom for all. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God does not desire all people to be saved. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God did not choose for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth. What do Particulars say?
It appears to me that no one will answer, but instead will engage in vilification. Par for the course...
Some do!!
Martin, your repetitive taint so post did not answer the questions.Yet another false claim by @Van, who has not the faintest notion of what Calvinists believe.
You do.
Calvinists say Jesus did not die as a ransom for all. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God does not desire all people to be saved. What do Particulars say?
Calvinists say God did not choose for salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth. What do Particulars say?
Van, let me be very, very clear. I am not vilifying you. My position is informed by reading the books I listed above. I found that one needs to be careful about conflating the positions of today's Calvinists aka Primitive Baptists. Wayland deals with the split between the Fullerites and Gillites in his book. As best as I can remember, Wayland and Fuller would say potentially Jesus died as an atonement for all, and yes he desires for all to be saved. Remember William Carey went out to India under the impetus of Fuller. I refer you to the videos I linked to in my 1/21/2021 thread https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...ngs-of-andrew-fuller-or-fuller-v-gill.119458/ .
RipponRedeaux
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That's a micro branch of Calvinistic Baptists, although there is a greater proportion representing that group on this forum. However, Primitive Baptists are not the same as "today's Calvinists."
That is very true. One might call the PBs the Historic Calvinistic Baptists as they carry on the thinking of John gill and the Anti-Missionary Baptists if I am not mistaken.