Tradition or Scripture

[Yeshua1]

What are your qualifications for presenting claims that differ from the ones I posted?

Historical truth?

 

[Yeshua1]

One of the signs of madness or dementia is a constant repeating of oneself and ignoring or forgetting what one has just been told.

And by refusing to accept what the scriptures are plainly teaching to us!

 

[Yeshua1]

It is the height of irony for you to ask the above. Over the years on the BB I have asked you dozens of straight-forward questions and every single time you have refused to do so. If you can't do it then don't ask anyone else to do it.

I always replied to you, its just many times my Brother you did not like my answers!

 

[Van]

Have all of their sins for those you mentioned here be paid and atoned for by death of Christ then?

What did I say? Why not address my posted views. Why ask endless questions to insinuate falsehood.

 

[Van]

Can you show to us any Baptist distinctiveness that stated one cannot be a Calvinist to be a "real Baptist?"

How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.

 

[Van]

Historical truth?

Non-answer. Some think their questions should be answered but they do not need to treat others in the same way.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.

That is not a Baptist Distinctive. At least not as they were taught in my Baptist Polity and History classes at Maranatha Baptist Bible College by Dr. Richard Weeks.

 

[Van]

That is not a Baptist Distinctive. At least not as they were taught in my Baptist Polity and History classes at Maranatha Baptist Bible College by Dr. Richard Weeks.

Right, but just what is the first and basic and fundamental distinctive as taught by Maranatha Baptist Bible College?

Baptist Distinctives
Baptist

Maranatha stands without apology for the Baptist distinctives. Baptistic principles and polity are taught in the classroom and practiced in the personal ministries of each faculty member.

Biblical

Maranatha believes in verbal, plenary inspiration. The Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice and is inerrant in all matters it addresses. The literal, historical-grammatical approach to the interpretation of God’s Word is emphasized through the entire curriculum.​

And here again is what I said, "How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

As taught by Dr. Richard Weeks one of MBBC's founders the Distintictives are:
Bible - The only rule for Faith and Practice.
Regenerate/Immersed Church membership
Autonomy and Independence of the Local Church
Priesthood of the Believer
Separation of Church and State
Immersion of Believers and Commemoration of the Lord's Supper the only two Ordinances
Separation Ethical
Separation Ecclesiastical

 

[Van]

Not sure what is being claimed. I quoted from the school's webcite, concerning the first distinctive. Is Squire Robertsson repudiating the quoted view, i.e. a literal approach to interpretation, thus all means all and not some. If so limited atonement cannot be a baptist distinctive based on a literal interpretation.

Here it is again:

And here again is what I said, "How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.​

We reject theology that denies the responsibility of all people to repent and believe, or the responsibility of all believers to evangelize everyone they can. We do not support positions that attribute the source of evil to God or that limit the extent of Christ’s atonement to the elect.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The stand you cite is that of Maranatha Baptist University. It reflects the school's soteriology. However, that does not make it a Baptist distinctive.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I always replied to you, its just many times my Brother you did not like my answers!

You give non-answers no mater what forum. But the latest question I posed for you was concerning Psalm 8. Do verses 6 to 8 refer to Christ or mankind? It is either one or the other. You could rev up the coal fires of your mind by sorting out your thoughts. "I believe it refers to ______, because____ ____ ____."
But you never do that.

So even though I specified verses 6 to 8 of that Psalm your "answers" have been :

"Psalm was speaking of the Messiah that was to come!"

"That was Jesus in the Psalms."

"Refers to the Son of man as a messianic figure to come!"

Those are completely unsatisfactory 'answers.' You don't do homework. You rely on others and never buckle down to do it yourself. Quote the verses and come up with something of substance. Merely repeating a stock phrase does not cut it.

 

[Yeshua1]

What did I say? Why not address my posted views. Why ask endless questions to insinuate falsehood.

Why do you always avoid, and just answer "taint so:, or else that calvinism is wrong? Do we hold and teach a false Gospel then?

 

[Yeshua1]

That is not a Baptist Distinctive. At least not as they were taught in my Baptist Polity and History classes at Maranatha Baptist Bible College by Dr. Richard Weeks.

Again, i know of NO Baptist distinctive point that ever stated one must be a calvinist or not one to be a Baptist!

 

[Yeshua1]

How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.

Those are non Cals talking points, but they were NEVER required to be held in order to be seen as being a Baptist! Can you give to us ANY Baptist in history that held to that as you do?

 

[Yeshua1]

Right, but just what is the first and basic and fundamental distinctive as taught by Maranatha Baptist Bible College?

Baptist Distinctives
Baptist

Maranatha stands without apology for the Baptist distinctives. Baptistic principles and polity are taught in the classroom and practiced in the personal ministries of each faculty member.

Biblical

Maranatha believes in verbal, plenary inspiration. The Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice and is inerrant in all matters it addresses. The literal, historical-grammatical approach to the interpretation of God’s Word is emphasized through the entire curriculum.​

And here again is what I said, "How about accepting the Bible as written. Ransom for All, God desires all people to be saved, Chosen for Salvation through or by reason of faith in the truth.

Those are YOUR interpretations of what the Bible teaches only, and not binding to all Baptists!

 

[Yeshua1]

As taught by Dr. Richard Weeks one of MBBC's founders the Distintictives are:
Bible - The only rule for Faith and Practice.
Regenerate/Immersed Church membership
Autonomy and Independence of the Local Church
Priesthood of the Believer
Separation of Church and State
Immersion of Believers and Commemoration of the Lord's Supper the only two Ordinances
Separation Ethical
Separation Ecclesiastical

NOTHING has ever been listed regarding how one must view Sotierology, other then must hold to trinity, Cross of Christ, saved by faith alone thru grace alone, and resurrection!

 

[Yeshua1]

You give non-answers no mater what forum. But the latest question I posed for you was concerning Psalm 8. Do verses 6 to 8 refer to Christ or mankind? It is either one or the other. You could rev up the coal fires of your mind by sorting out your thoughts. "I believe it refers to ______, because____ ____ ____."
But you never do that.

So even though I specified verses 6 to 8 of that Psalm your "answers" have been :

"Psalm was speaking of the Messiah that was to come!"

"That was Jesus in the Psalms."

"Refers to the Son of man as a messianic figure to come!"

Those are completely unsatisfactory 'answers.' You don't do homework. You rely on others and never buckle down to do it yourself. Quote the verses and come up with something of substance. Merely repeating a stock phrase does not cut it.

I hold that the Psalm was referring to Jesus as being the Son of man! A Messianic one

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I hold that the Psalm was referring to Jesus as being the Son of man! A Messianic one

Deal with what I asked you O blind one. Deal with verses 6 through 8.

 

[Yeshua1]

Deal with what I asked you O blind one. Deal with verses 6 through 8.

I am , agree with formal versions that refers to Jesus as THE Son of man!