Trump OK with Special Counsel ... BUT. will the left be OK with the findings?

[Deaconman]

Donald Trump says Russia probe will reveal no collusion with his campaign

With President Trump approving of the Special Counsel, my quexstion to ALL of you is: Will the far left; never Trumpers; Hillary Clinton; the media; and the rest of the hysterical lynch mob that makes up half of America, be receptive of the findings, especially if they show Trump did not collude or conspire with anyone?

It is my hope and prayer, that the findings finally put this juggernaut to bed? I don't think it will, in fact, if he is shown to not have any wrong doings in the election, pertaining to Russia, the left will get back on their half dead horses and finally beat them death, with a new hysterical rant!

 

[Deaconman]

With President Trump approving of the Special Counsel, my quexstion to ALL of you is: Will the far left; never Trumpers; Hillary Clinton; the media; and the rest of the hysterical lynch mob that makes up half of America, be receptive of the findings, especially if they show Trump did not collude or conspire with anyone?

It is my hope and prayer, that the findings finally put this juggernaut to bed? I don't think it will, in fact, if he is shown to not have any wrong doings in the election, pertaining to Russia, the left will get back on their half dead horses and finally beat them death, with a new hysterical rant![/QUOTE]

 

[carpro]

Vindication:
The point(s) I was making (or trying to) is 1) that the news today is instantaneous often times we are watching a crime e.g. a Chicago riot in progress 2) The news is not only instantaneous but global e.g. France terrorist murder scene complete with bodies, 3) the population of the world has increased geometrically since John Adams was watching CNN on his iPod or Skyping Ben Franklin in France.



HankD

Common sense goes a long way, Hank. Never Trumper's are many times incapable of applying it to many subjects concerning Trump. This is one of them. That description fits some normally rational peopl here at BB. Trump said it, therefore it just can't be true.

 

[HankD]

If you want to believe that go ahead. I as a student of history see it as another piece evidence of his pure narcissism.

I rolled my eyes at the narcissism of Obama, and I'm going to roll my eyes at the narcissism of Trump, (the R after the name makes no difference to me)

I believe president Trump would need to work on his narcissism before it could be classified as pure.

His love of family seems genuine.

HankD

 

[Deaconman]

Now reverse your answer, what if he is guilty of lying again.He has been lying about everything since he came on the scene so why should the left or the right believe him..If he is lying again, the question is what will our crooked Congress do...Maybe give him an Academy Award..ijs my thoughts only

 

[Crabtownboy]

Trump has not come to grips, and I doubt that he ever will, that he cannot steamroll the FBI, Congress and the American people the way he has during his business career. His bombastic authoritarian ways may have served him well in business. He has simply dug the hole deeper and deeper that he now finds himself in.

His first reaction was a special counsel was fine and it would find him innocent. Now the has destroyed his first reaction which was, for him, quite rational.

Are y'all starting to come to grips with the term "President Pence"?

 

[blessedwife318]

Not sure what your point is. I have never defended president Trump as a sinless person, he is a sinner just like the rest of us. Although there are apparently saints here on the BB who believe he is a sinner of great magnitude.

I'm not even sure where this is coming from.

Vindication:
The point(s) I was making (or trying to) is 1) that the news today is instantaneous often times we are watching a crime e.g. a Chicago riot in progress 2) The news is not only instantaneous but global e.g. France terrorist murder scene complete with bodies, 3) the population of the world has increased geometrically since John Adams was watching CNN on his iPod or Skyping Ben Franklin in France.



HankD

1. I'm not arguing that its not instantaneous, but I see that as a double edge sword that cuts both ways. It means that a lot of misinformation can get spread quickly but it also means multiple perspectives get spread quickly, and than video and audio can clear up a lot of fake news, since everyone has a camera on them now a days. The left gets shown in real time how hypocrtical they are (example leaving tons of trash after an earth day event).
2. Yup its global which also means things get forgotten a lot faster. Quick name the scandal of the day going on 1 year ago, 2 years ago? No googling. I was able to remember all of the scandal from the Presidents in the 1800s and what people said about them, because I took the time to study them when I was in high school and college. I read some of the newspapers from back than as well. Those scandals stood the test of time and are still being read about in 2017 because they made the history books. Trump will make the history books as well but he will get no more page time than any other President, and less that some. George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln will always get more page time.
3. Population may have increased but the percentage of people that get their news from newspapers is down. I was going to say mainstream sources but than I realize that term doesn't translate back to the early 1800s when every publication was openly partisan and people either read 2 or 3 different papers to get a full view, or read their preferred 1 to back their party (somethings never change). According the Pew Research over half of Americans get their news from a social media site which lends itself to being an echo chamber.
The fact that time was a factor makes the accusations hurled at Adams, and Jackson, and Polk worse (not the worst ever though) because they were thought out insults meant to inflict the most damage for their day. An off the cuff insult in a 24 hours news cycle on a president who thrives on being a victim isn't doing damage. You yourself have said that these attacks by the left and the press are the reason he won, and why you think he will win again in 2020.

 

[blessedwife318]

Common sense goes a long way, Hank. Never Trumper's are many times incapable of applying it to many subjects concerning Trump. This is one of them. That description fits some normally rational peopl here at BB. Trump said it, therefore it just can't be true.

Common sense goes a long way Carpo. Trump Supporters are many times incapable of applying it to many subjects concerning Trump. This is one of them. That descriptions fits some normally rational people here at BB. Trump said it therefore it must be true.

I know I'm being uncreative again, but creativity was never one of my strong suits.
But apparently thinking that being killed in office is a worse thing that can happen to a politician than the press saying mean things is uncommon sense, and given how uncommon "common sense" is in this day and age I will continue to view history and put things into a historical perspective with my uncommon sense.

 

[MennoSota]

I'll take a shot at it.

Russian government hackers gave WikiLeaks the Clinton DNC emails. WikiLeaks distributed these emails, starting at about the beginning of the DNC convention and kept up a constant drip, drip, drip of leaks as the election wore on. This was enough for many, many Democrats, especially Bernie Sanders democrats, to give up on Hillary and stay home and not vote.

It helped that the FBI said just before the election that they might have more emails that could possibly indict Hillary Clinton. It's highly likely that people conflated the stories about Clinton's private emails with the WikiLeaks emails and just decided not to vote for her.

You get 77,000 disenchanted Hillary voters in Pennsylvania and 20,000 in Wisconsin to stay home and Trump wins.

It sounds like you are saying that creating transparency of Clinton lead to her not getting more votes. I fail to see how having transparency is a bad thing.
Why does Trump get blamed for this?

 

[HankD]

I'm not even sure where this is coming from.


1. I'm not arguing that its not instantaneous, but I see that as a double edge sword that cuts both ways. It means that a lot of misinformation can get spread quickly but it also means multiple perspectives get spread quickly, and than video and audio can clear up a lot of fake news, since everyone has a camera on them now a days. The left gets shown in real time how hypocrtical they are (example leaving tons of trash after an earth day event).
2. Yup its global which also means things get forgotten a lot faster. Quick name the scandal of the day going on 1 year ago, 2 years ago? No googling. I was able to remember all of the scandal from the Presidents in the 1800s and what people said about them, because I took the time to study them when I was in high school and college. I read some of the newspapers from back than as well. Those scandals stood the test of time and are still being read about in 2017 because they made the history books. Trump will make the history books as well but he will get no more page time than any other President, and less that some. George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln will always get more page time.
3. Population may have increased but the percentage of people that get their news from newspapers is down. I was going to say mainstream sources but than I realize that term doesn't translate back to the early 1800s when every publication was openly partisan and people either read 2 or 3 different papers to get a full view, or read their preferred 1 to back their party (somethings never change). According the Pew Research over half of Americans get their news from a social media site which lends itself to being an echo chamber.
The fact that time was a factor makes the accusations hurled at Adams, and Jackson, and Polk worse (not the worst ever though) because they were thought out insults meant to inflict the most damage for their day. An off the cuff insult in a 24 hours news cycle on a president who thrives on being a victim isn't doing damage. You yourself have said that these attacks by the left and the press are the reason he won, and why you think he will win again in 2020.

Same-o.

HankD

 

[carpro]

Are y'all starting to come to grips with the term "President Pence"?

Even Pelosi thinks it's too soon for that kind of foolish talk.

 

[carpro]

Common sense goes a long way Carpo. Trump Supporters are many times incapable of applying it to many subjects concerning Trump. This is one of them. That descriptions fits some normally rational people here at BB. Trump said it therefore it must be true.

Very original.

That's getting to be a habit for you. Not an original thought in your head these days.

 

[blessedwife318]

Very original.

That's getting to be a habit for you. Not an original thought in your head these days.

Never claim to be very original. Just observant.

 

[carpro]

Never claim to be very original. Just observant.

Yeah , right.

Usually, but almost completely blind when it comes to Trump.

Here's hoping one of these days you can get past it.

 

[blessedwife318]

Yeah , right.

Usually, but almost completely blind when it comes to Trump.

Here's hoping one of these days you can get past it.

Right back at you.


Although I again give you credit for being upset with him for signing that horrible budget.

 

[carpro]

Right back at you.

More oiginality. You keep this up and all you'll have to do is let us know when you want to respond to a post and we can do it for you.

You can rest. Maybe get your equilibrium back.

 

[blessedwife318]

More oiginality. You keep this up and all you'll have to do is let us know when you want to respond to a post and we can do it for you.

You can rest. Maybe get your equilibrium back.

With me being a conservative as opposed to a progressive mean I don't have to consistently come up with "supposed" new (original, creative) ideas. I just need to defend and conserve existing ideas that work, like lowering government spending and going back to the Constitutional form of Government.

 

[HankD]

Right back at you.


Although I again give you credit for being upset with him for signing that horrible budget.

At least we got a budget.

HankD

 

[HawgWyld]

Like they disliked Obama.

So, that justifies the outright hatred of Trump? Anyone who complained about Obama's shoddy treatment had better not be part of the "nyah, nyah, nyah on Trump" crowd now.

For the record, I would imagine most Americans -- even those of us who didn't like Obama -- weren't obsessed with digging up daily scandals in the man.

Living in our republic means our preferred candidates lose from time to time. That's just how it goes.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So, that justifies the outright hatred of Trump? Anyone who complained about Obama's shoddy treatment had better not be part of the "nyah, nyah, nyah on Trump" crowd now.

For the record, I would imagine most Americans -- even those of us who didn't like Obama -- weren't obsessed with digging up daily scandals in the man.

Living in our republic means our preferred candidates lose from time to time. That's just how it goes.

I don't hate the guy but I firmly believe he is crooked, which may have worked for him when he was a civilian, but now he is the POTUS. His conduct is important, his transparency is important, his having an good aggressive plan to address workable goals to further US interests is important, Honesty is important, Concern for peoples plight is important......in all Performance is critical. Now this Mueller thing may not turn up anything indictable but I believe he is crooked & I find his conduct to be atrocious.

Note, I cant stand BO.....nor can I like either Clinton. I would have much perfected McCain & Dole......instead of that women chaser/adulterer.

And seriously, don't you think Pense would make a better president than this child?

 

[HankD]

I don't hate the guy but I firmly believe he is crooked, which may have worked for him when he was a civilian, but now he is the POTUS. His conduct is important, his transparency is important, his having an good aggressive plan to address workable goals to further US interests is important, Honesty is important, Concern for peoples plight is important......in all Performance is critical. Now this Mueller thing may not turn up anything indictable but I believe he is crooked & I find his conduct to be atrocious.

Note, I cant stand BO.....nor can I like either Clinton. I would have much perfected McCain & Dole......instead of that women chaser/adulterer.

And seriously, don't you think Pense would make a better president than this child?

Pence is an establishment Republican, so probably not.

HankD