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Trump: U.S. to withdraw from Paris climate pact, calls it 'unfair' for America

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Crabtownboy

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Yes we do. We are the big consumer.

That has nothing to do with what they set as standards. We buy, they dictate how it is built and how the environment is impacted. We ignore their regulations and we sell nothing to them.
 

Reynolds

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That has nothing to do with what they set as standards. We buy, they dictate how it is built and how the environment is impacted. We ignore their regulations and we sell nothing to them.
You simply don't get it, do you?
 

Reynolds

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I can see you are no economist and have no understanding of how business works.
I have done quite well in INTERNATIONAL business. That's why I retired early from law enforcement. I mainly deal with French and Canadian companies. I Will break it down so even you might have a chance of understanding it. Company A sells company B 1 million worth of goods per year. Company B sells Company A 50 million worth of goods per year. Company B decides it wants to become an eco Nazi and tells company A, due to your manufacturing processes not being clean enough we are no longer buying from you. Company A says, ok, snip, we are taking our 50 million in business away from you and buying from company C. Company C gladly buys the goods that company A manufactured.
 
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Revmitchell

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This silly paris agreement was nothing more than a far left wealth redistribution scheme that has no hope of curbing any kind of warming nor does it even intend to. I have been saying this for years and today Trump called them all out on it.
 

Crabtownboy

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I have done quite well in INTERNATIONAL business. That's why I retired early from law enforcement. I mainly deal with French and Canadian companies. I Will break it down so even you might have a chance of understanding it. Company A sells company B 1 million worth of goods per year. Company B sells Company A 50 million worth of goods per year. Company B decides it wants to become an eco Nazi and tells company A, due to your manufacturing processes not being clean enough we are no longer buying from you. Company A says, ok, snip, we are taking our 50 million in business away from you and buying from company C. Company C gladly buys the goods that company A manufactured.

All that is meaningless if you do not produce a product that meets the regulations of your customer. He/she will not buy it regardless of how inexpensively you sell the product. Trump removing us from the Paris Accord removes our voice and cedes the field to the Chinese and Europe. He has played politics and our economy is going to be severely harmed in the long-run. Again, if we do not produce products that meet their purchase requirements we will sell nothing.

In your post Company C will not buy from Company A, B, D, E, etc. if they do not meet their, Company C's, requirements.
 

Reynolds

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All that is meaningless if you do not produce a product that meets the regulations of your customer. He/she will not buy it regardless of how inexpensively you sell the product. Trump removing us from the Paris Accord removes our voice and cedes the field to the Chinese and Europe. He has played politics and our economy is going to be severely harmed in the long-run. Again, if we do not produce products that meet their purchase requirements we will sell nothing.
You are Hilarious. When they suffer the retaleation for not buying our goods, they will have no choice other than to change their standard.
 

Crabtownboy

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You are Hilarious. When they suffer the retaleation for not buying our goods, they will have no choice than to change their standard. The EU has to constantly keep in mind that we are the only thing protecting them from speaking Russian.

They will find another manufacturer who meets their requirements and buy from them.
 

Reynolds

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They will find another manufacturer who meets their requirements and buy from them.
You are still missing the entire point. They can't. The economic impact from trade retaliation will be too costly for them to provoke that retaliation.
 

righteousdude2

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It was a wise move for Trump! Not for the green people, but for your normal, starving American in need of work, it was a brave and good move!
 

righteousdude2

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So we cede the leadership of the environment to China and Europe. They will continue with no input from the US and that will have negative impacts on numerous corporations. Now China and Europe will tell us what automobile standards auto makers have to meet. If we neglect to change to their regulations we will be in deep doo-doo.

Politics and stupidity win out over prudent steps.

First of all, China has no room to talk! As for Europe, this is theirs to carry on with!
 

Gold Dragon

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If Trump really cared about jobs for Americans he would be investing in clean energy. Even if he doesn't believe in climate change it doesn't take a lot to recognize that the rest of the world and most cities in the US do. There is going to be and already is huge demand for clean energy technologies and infrastructure.

That business is already going elsewhere and the US will be playing catchup for many decades while others countries take advantage of the global shift. It should be good for Australia and Canada who have heavily invested in these technologies. And of course ironically China.

As for cancelling the deal itself, it has no real benefit for the US since the targets are purely voluntary and non enforceable anyway had the the US remained in the deal and just decided not to meet the targets.
 

Crabtownboy

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First of all, China has no room to talk! As for Europe, this is theirs to carry on with!

Please elaborate as your comment on China does not say anything.

You may disagree with China's policies. I do. But they did not walk away from the table. Now they will have a bigger say in policy and we will not be at the table to moderate what is decided upon.
 

Crabtownboy

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You are still missing the entire point. They can't. The economic impact from trade retaliation will be too costly for them to provoke that retaliation.

What trade retaliation? How will we retaliate?

What will we do when they refuse us a seat at the table in future negotiations?

The EU has already said, "No, we are not going to negotiate a new accord."


EU Leaders tell Trump: No Paris Deal Renegotiation
 

Rippon

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The EU has already said, "No, we are not going to negotiate a new accord."


EU Leaders tell Trump: No Paris Deal Renegotiation
Trump said in the Rose Garden :"And that's fine too."

IOW, it's no skin off our nose. President Trump is working on behalf of the American people for a change.
Get used to it.

The smug leaders of Europe (some of whom are not elected officials) are shakedown artists as much as Jesse Jackson is.
No more. They don't pay their fair share in other matters anyway.

To sign a treaty which signs over our rights as a sovereign nation cannot be allowed. It's against our Constitution as well as against common sense. (Which ain't too common these days.)
 
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