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Trump Weekend Getaway Could Cost Taxpayers $3 Million

ChrisTheSaved

Active Member
So you qoute a liberal story about an event that had not yet happened, using numbers that are made up and want to act like this is a legit issue?

Keep crying were only getting stronger. I am sick that any Christian would ever support a democrat because we know the Democratic world view is not compatable with Christianity.
 

Crabtownboy

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
So you qoute a liberal story about an event that had not yet happened, using numbers that are made up and want to act like this is a legit issue?

Keep crying were only getting stronger. I am sick that any Christian would ever support a democrat because we know the Democratic world view is not compatable with Christianity.

Why is it not Christian to support policies that help children, men and women in need?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that allow people to have healthcare?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that provide housing for the poor?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help people in need of food?
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
That is why it is so important that the judiciary really do their job and rule by the law and the Constitution and not by politics.
I agree.

1st amendment. Absolute. Worship how you please, say or publish what you please, peaceably assemble (no riots, no smashing windows, no setting cars on fire, no blocking streets/hiways), be heard by our elected representatives.

2nd amendment. Every law abiding citizen has the right to own the firearm of his choice and to carry that firearm in any way he chooses. (That is what "shall not be infringed" means.)

3rd amendment. For the most part, moot.

4th amendment. No searches or seizures without probable cause. (A dog sniffing is not probable cause because I cannot cross examine the dog on the witness stand, therefore I cannot impeach the witness.)

5th amendment. Remain silent. "What is your name." I choose to remain silent according to my rights under the 5th amendment. "You can't do that! You have to give me your name." No, I don't. Unless you can give me written assurance that nothing I say will be used against me, including my identity. "Then I will place you under arrest!" God ahead. I can use the money I will get when I sue you, your department, your city/county/state, for deprivation of rights under 42 USC 1983.

6th amendment. The right to counsel before any questions.

10th amendment. Restore all power and authority to the states and end the federal usurpation of those rights that has been going on for over 150 years. That would include doing away with all Cabinet level departments including Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, and Transportation.

The only Cabinet level departments that should remain are Defense, Homeland Security,
Treasury, Veterans Affairs, State, and the Attorney General. And Homeland Security should be broken up into its original components, then many of them should be disbanded.

How about it, Crabtownboy? You with me?
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help children, men and women in need?
You are free to help anyone and to any extent that you please. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help and how much and to what extent I help them?

Why is it not Christian to support policies that allow people to have healthcare?
You are free to help anyone you please to get health care. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get health care and how much and to what extent I help them do so?

Why is it not Christian to support policies that provide housing for the poor?
You are free to help getting housing for anyone you want to help. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get housing and how much and to what extent I help them get it?

Why is it not Christian to support policies that help people in need of food?
You are free to help feed anyone you please. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get food and how much and to what extent I help them get it?

Let me ask you, Crabtownboy,

In the past twelve months how many people in need of health care have you helped get it and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

In the past twelve months how many people in need have you helped get housing and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

In the past twelve months how many people in need have you helped get food and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

I will be glad to list how many I have helped and how much of my own money I have spent doing so if you will.
 

HankD

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help children, men and women in need?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that allow people to have healthcare?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that provide housing for the poor?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help people in need of food?
Huh?

No one has said it wasn't.

HankD
 

ChrisTheSaved

Active Member
That is why it is so important that the judiciary really do their job and rule by the law and the Constitution and not by politics. It is not the role of the judiciary to be popular but to rule by the Constitution.

You are free to help anyone and to any extent that you please. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help and how much and to what extent I help them?

You are free to help anyone you please to get health care. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get health care and how much and to what extent I help them do so?

You are free to help getting housing for anyone you want to help. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get housing and how much and to what extent I help them get it?

You are free to help feed anyone you please. But why should you be allowed to dictate to me who I help get food and how much and to what extent I help them get it?

Let me ask you, Crabtownboy,

In the past twelve months how many people in need of health care have you helped get it and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

In the past twelve months how many people in need have you helped get housing and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

In the past twelve months how many people in need have you helped get food and how much of your own money did you spend helping them get it?

I will be glad to list how many I have helped and how much of my own money I have spent doing so if you will.




This guy just won people. Epic logic that is undeniably correct. It's not the government's job to save her world on our dime.
 

ChrisTheSaved

Active Member
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help children, men and women in need?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that allow people to have healthcare?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that provide housing for the poor?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help people in need of food?


You have no clue, Obama has killed thousands of people in the Middle East and in directly cause Egypt and Libya to fall. Both had stabilizing effects on the region. Both had control over Islamic radicals and we're secular nation's. Libya had undergone major reforms in human rights under Gaddafi.

He has dropped 100k plus bombs that have killed thousands of civilians as well as bombing schools, hospitals and US citizens. Now we just learned that thousands and thousands of technically illegal bombing and attack missions were carried out under him...no media outrage. What we get is none stop coverage of a seal getting killed in raid planned under Obama.

As if Republicans are the monsters CNN and MSNBC act like we are. More violent attacks are committed at the hands of Democrats then republicans. Stop being a sheep and think for yourself.

You have been so manipulated that you belive the Democrats in power truly care about your or some immigrants well being? Haha, it's about votes and voters.
 

ChrisTheSaved

Active Member
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help children, men and women in need?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that allow people to have healthcare?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that provide housing for the poor?
Why is it not Christian to support policies that help people in need of food?

I feel as if you left out some major democratic policy points there friend.

Like murdering millions of babies?

Gay marriage?

Transgender snip....and on and on and on

They literally are against most standard Christian views.
 

InTheLight

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
So you qoute a liberal story about an event that had not yet happened, using numbers that are made up and want to act like this is a legit issue?

1. Why is the President going on vacation a liberal story?

2. The story has happened.

3. The numbers aren't made up. They are based on conservative activist organization Judicial Watch's research on the cost to taxpayers for the President to use Air Force One. (I can tell you didn't read the story, just having a knee-jerk reaction to it.

4. If it was so, so wrong for Obama to go on vacations on taxpayer money, why is it OK for Trump to do it?

Keep crying were only getting stronger. I am sick that any Christian would ever support a democrat because we know the Democratic world view is not compatable with Christianity.

You don't know my political leanings, you just make stuff up and run with it. FYI, the last time I supported a Democrat was in the Minnesota governor's race in 1990 because the candidate was pro-life. Otherwise, it's been Republicans, except that in 1998 I made the mistake of voting for Jesse Ventura, a member of a third party.
 

InTheLight

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
My question is how much of the 3 million is in one time non-recurring spending? IOW, they spend the money on say permanent fencing. The fencing remains after this visit and will be re-used in future ones.

I'd say all of the $3M is a one time expense. It's mostly for operating Air Force One.
 

HankD

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
4. If it was so, so wrong for Obama to go on vacations on taxpayer money, why is it OK for Trump to do it?
I wanted to address this one ITL. No has said it was not OK for presidents (including Obama) to go on vacation on taxpayer money. In fact I defended presidents Clinton, Bush ("W") and Obama for this.

Reasons: 1) They could not afford the cost of the entourage of security and administrative staff needed to accompany them and 2) what kind of a vacation is it when you must ALWAYS be in instant communications with your cabinet, congress, pentagon, etc... A president is NEVER on vacation.

The first objection is a vacation extravaganza, inappropriateness, waste or all of the above sometimes at the cost of 100-200 million per day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325990/Obamas-200m-day-India-visit-picked-US-taxpayers.html

Yes there was of course - deny, deny, deny but no one came forth with proof one way or the other.

Personally even at that with some overruns the "ruler of the free world" with all the attendant stresses ought to have a cut of some slack.

The second objection is silence for Obama but NOW weeping, wailing and hand wringing for Trump when he takes a vacation.


HankD
 

InTheLight

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
The first objection is a vacation extravaganza, inappropriateness, waste or all of the above sometimes at the cost of 100-200 million per day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325990/Obamas-200m-day-India-visit-picked-US-taxpayers.html

Yes there was of course - deny, deny, deny but no one came forth with proof one way or the other.

Personally even at that with some overruns the "ruler of the free world" with all the attendant stresses

So you quote Fake News to make your point.

There are reports all over that Obama’s India trip will cost $200 million per day. I haven’t been able to find a credible rebuttal to this but I can’t believe it could be true.


This story has spread rapidly among the president’s critics, but there is simply no evidence to support it. And common sense should lead anyone to doubt it. For example, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan currently costs less than that — about $5.7 billion per month, according to the Congressional Research Service, or roughly $190 million per day. How could a peaceful state visit cost more than a war?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

The former chief of staff for George W. Bush told CNN's Anderson Cooper in a Thursday interview that it doesn't pass the "sniff test."

"It doesn't to me, but I think the White House is appropriate in saying they don't talk about what it costs for the president to travel," said Andrew Card. "We want our president to be safe wherever he goes. I can't imagine it would cost $200 million a day.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/05/obama.asia.cost/


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/04/fuzzy-math-dogs-obamas-asia-trip/
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
Administrator
at what point in Trump's administration will it be unacceptable for Trump to go on weekend getaways that cost the taxpayers $3 million?
At any point. I do not begrudge him his time away from the White House. He has the most stressful job on the planet. Give him a break. Just as I didn't begrudge Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc.

They already put a Navy seal in his grave because of one of these hair brained initiatives....shakes head.
Uh, are you sure that op was not planned and ordered by the Obama administration?

how many executive orders has he kicked out,
Too many. Just like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and on and on and on.

how many covert military operations can he come up with,
We don't know. That is why they are called "covert."

how many Green Card holders can he deport,
None, unless they are convicted of a felony. The real name for a "Green Card" is a "Permanent Residence Visa." "Permanent" means, like, forever.

how many financial laws can he repeal.
None. He does not make or repeal laws. Congress does that.
 

HankD

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
So you quote Fake News to make your point.

There are reports all over that Obama’s India trip will cost $200 million per day. I haven’t been able to find a credible rebuttal to this but I can’t believe it could be true.

This story has spread rapidly among the president’s critics, but there is simply no evidence to support it. And common sense should lead anyone to doubt it. For example, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan currently costs less than that — about $5.7 billion per month, according to the Congressional Research Service, or roughly $190 million per day. How could a peaceful state visit cost more than a war?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

The former chief of staff for George W. Bush told CNN's Anderson Cooper in a Thursday interview that it doesn't pass the "sniff test."

"It doesn't to me, but I think the White House is appropriate in saying they don't talk about what it costs for the president to travel," said Andrew Card. "We want our president to be safe wherever he goes. I can't imagine it would cost $200 million a day.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/05/obama.asia.cost/


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/04/fuzzy-math-dogs-obamas-asia-trip/
Uh, didn't I say I couldn't find solid evidence of the actual amount.

So whenever news which openly admits to only having some but not conclusive evidence you are now going to label "fake news" only of course when it fits your agenda and only of course if it is less than a SOROS/progressive leftist POV.

The fact is that the Obama administration has gone to the excessive spending side of the "administrative expenses" side of the ledger.

And I would have given him a little slack in my own mind he being the POTUS, but since you couldn't just leave it there here is a better/closer picture of reality.

https://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2014/03/21/obama-travel-expense/

HankD
 
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