Trying to live a Victorious Christian Life?

[Jordan Kurecki]

Here is a series of sermons from a friend of mine who is an Evangelist: This series of messages is extremely convicting, if you are struggling to have victory over sin, if you're just not where you know the Lord wants you to be: this is the series for you.

Everyone once in a while I run across a preacher who I know is on a much higher walk with God than other preachers that I meet, This man is one of those people.

I promise these will be worth your time.


http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-victorious-christian-life/

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-reality-of-the-victorious-christian-life/

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-enemy-called-the-flesh/

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-mystery-of-marriage-to-christ/

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-necessity-of-the-wilderness/

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

He preached nearly five hours on the victorious christian life? D.L. Moody summed it up in less than 250 words.

D.L. Moody on the Victorious Christian Life

If we would know what Christ wants to be to us, we must first of all know Him as our Saviour from sin. When the angel came down from heaven to proclaim that He was to be born into the world, you remember he gave His name, “He shall be called Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.” Have we been delivered from sin? He did not come to save us in our sins, but from our sins. . . .

Let us look at Him as He hangs upon the Cross, and see how He has put away sin. He was manifested that He might take away our sins. . . .

But Christ is not only a Saviour. I might save a man from drowning and rescue him from an untimely grave; but I might probably not be able to do any more for him. Christ is something more than a Saviour. When the children of Israel were placed behind the blood, that blood was their salvation; but they would still have heard the crack of the slave-driver’s whip, if they had not been delivered from the Egyptian yoke of bondage: then it was that God delivered them from the hand of the King of Egypt. I have little sympathy with the idea that God comes down to save us, and then leaves us in prison, the slaves of our besetting sins. No; He has come to deliver us, and to give us victory over our evil tempers, our passions, and our lusts. Are you a professed Christian, but one who is a slave to some besetting sin? If you want to get victory over that temper or that lust, go on to know Christ more intimately. He brings deliverance for the past, the present, and the future.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I'm with TNID here, I have to wonder about spending five hours of preaching on "How to Live a Victorious Christian Life."

While there is much to learn about Christian discipleship and growing in grace, I have a funny feeling that he's coming from another angle on this.

Can you sum up his teaching on the subject in a couple of sentences so I will want to slog through five hours of preaching on the subject?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I'm with TNID here, I have to wonder about spending five hours of preaching on "How to Live a Victorious Christian Life."



While there is much to learn about Christian discipleship and growing in grace, I have a funny feeling that he's coming from another angle on this.



Can you sum up his teaching on the subject in a couple of sentences so I will want to slog through five hours of preaching on the subject?

Mark me down as in agreement with my two brothers here.



I also like how J.C. Ryle puts it in his book on holiness while discussing victorious Christian living - once again in a lot less than rive hours

But the theory of a sudden, mysterious transition of a believer into a state of blessedness and entire consecration, at one mighty bound, I cannot receive. It appears to me to be a man-made invention; and I do not see a single plain text to prove it in Scripture. Gradual growth in grace, growth in knowledge, growth in faith, growth in love, growth in holiness, growth in humility, growth in spiritual-mindedness--all this I see clearly taught and urged in Scripture, and clearly exemplified in the lives of many of God's saints.

I could easily be wrong, but am not going to slog through five hours. My guess is that he is talking about some type of instantaneous 'higher plane' Christianity? If I am wrong I will gladly rescind my statement.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I'm sure glad God gave me more than 250 words in the bible.

Perhaps you should listen to the first message before you make judgments.

Considering the state of our nation and the state of Christianity in general, a emphasis on Victorious Christian Living would benefit every one of us.

It took Hudson Taylor 15 years to figure out the Victorious Christian Life, What make you think that 1 or 2 hours of Preaching is sufficient?

Seems like a direct reflection of American culture, the "I want things fast" mentality.

The Victorious Christian Life is not something you order at the drive through of a restaurant, if it was we would see a lot more Christians living it.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

The sum of his teaching is that many Christians have accepted an inconsistent form of Christian living that is characterized by defeat and lack of joy and carnal living, and that God has provided for us a way to live in victory over sin.

Of course his series deals with the reality of the flesh, the reality of victorious christian living, the necessity of the wilderness, the futility of struggle theology, and more coming, it's a week of revival meetings.

here are the last 2 messages:

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-futlity-of-struggle-theology/

http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-liberty-of-christ-in-you/

Please, at least listen to the first message, unless you think you know all you need to know about Christian living...

 

[Iconoclast]

You would sit in front of a TV to watch nascar or football for hours.You make listening to sermons to be a burden rather than a joy or delight.
Five hours is just an introduction.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

The sum of his teaching is that many Christians have accepted an inconsistent form of Christian living that is characterized by defeat and lack of joy and carnal living, and that God has provided for us a way to live in victory over sin.



Of course his series deals with the reality of the flesh, the reality of victorious christian living, the necessity of the wilderness, the futility of struggle theology, and more coming, it's a week of revival meetings.



here are the last 2 messages:



http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-futlity-of-struggle-theology/



http://www.cbctwinfalls.com/sermons/the-liberty-of-christ-in-you/



Please, at least listen to the first message, unless you think you know all you need to know about Christian living...

Could you possibly summarise the key to victorious Christian living please?

I have read a couple of dozen books on the topic so don't think that two more hours of sermons will give me any more than I have read.

If, as it appears, he is arguing that the Christian life is not a struggle I already know I disagree Biblically.

'I have fought a good fight...'
'Endure hardness as a good soldier...'
'Thus I fight...'

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It took Hudson Taylor 15 years to figure out the Victorious Christian Life, What make you think that 1 or 2 hours of Preaching is sufficient?

I can beat Taylor. It took me 20, and unlike Taylor, I'm willing to admit it is still a challenge. I had the Bible too, but I found out it is much simpler than I made it, than Taylor made it, or (I suspect, since I'm still not going to spend five hours slogging through videos) than Prettyman makes it. Here is the secret: I assure you, it is much simpler than anyone makes it:

1. Leave behind the garment of guilt Christ stripped from you at the cross.
2. Live deeply immersed in The Word -- not preaching, not theology, not doctrine, not methodology: The Word.
3. Literate yourself as to what #2 means; refer to John 1:1-14.
4. Love God.
5. Learn from Christ, live what you learn.
6. Love others by reaching out and touching them with His truth.
7. Look on rejection as rebellion on their part, not ineffectiveness on your part.
8. Like being on your knees morning and night: Morning to prepare for the day, night to seek strength to do better than you did today.

There, that didn't take five hours did it? Here's the rub, though: Realizing it is simple is what takes 20 years. And you have to learn it for yourself. No one is going to "teach" you to live "victoriously." It requires your own experience to get there, but once you do, it really is simple.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I can beat Taylor. It took me 20. I had the Bible too, but I found out it is much simpler than I made it, than Taylor made it, or (I suspect, since I'm still not going to spend five hours slogging through videos) than Prettyman makes it. No one is going to "teach" you to live "victoriously." It requires your own experience to get there, but once you do, it really is simple. You say it isn't simple? I assure you, it is:

1. Stop wearing the guilt Christ stripped from you at the cross.
2. Become deeply immersed in The Word -- not preaching, not theology, not doctrine, not methodology: The Word.
3. If in doubt what #2 means, refer to John 1:1-14.
4. Love God.
5. Learn from Christ, live what you learn.
6. Love others by reaching out and touching them with His truth.
7. Look on rejection as rebellion on their part, not ineffectiveness on your part.
8. Pray morning and night: Morning to prepare for the day, night to seek strength to do better than you did today.

There, that didn't take five hours did it? Here's the rub, though: Realizing it is simple is what takes 20 years.

Yup - I am 40 years a believer and I am STILL learning and changing and growing and fighting, and yet I am living and giving thanks to God for the victory that already mine.

Good pointers.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Yup - I am 40 years a believer and I am STILL learning and changing and growing and fighting, and yet I am living and giving thanks to God for the victory that already mine.

Good pointers.

I changed it up a bit, C4K, sorry. Something in me -- probably the pedant -- likes alliteration. :laugh:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I changed it up a bit, C4K, sorry. Something in me -- probably the pedant -- likes alliteration. :laugh:

Hey, can I steal that to preach it ?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Hey, can I steal that to preach it ?

:laugh: Hey, if you like it, it's yours!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Here is how Ironside said it is achieved:

...meditation on the word of God, coupled with a prayerful spirit, thus leading out the heart to Christ Himself.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Here is how Ironside said it is achieved:

...meditation on the word of God, coupled with a prayerful spirit, thus leading out the heart to Christ Himself.

Big deal ... he used fewer words than I did. :laugh:

OK, maybe he was at it longer and studied it deeper than I did, ya think? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Big deal ... he used fewer words than I did. :laugh:

OK, maybe he was at it longer and studied it deeper than I did, ya think? :smilewinkgrin:

But if I preached his I'd be done in thirty seconds and we'd all be home for Sunday dinner sooner...

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

But if I preached his I'd be done in thirty seconds and we'd all be home for Sunday dinner sooner...

A Baptist pastor done and services out before noon??

 

[preacher4truth]

You would sit in front of a TV to watch nascar or football for hours.You make listening to sermons to be a burden rather than a joy or delight.
Five hours is just an introduction.

Exactly. :thumbs:

I'm not surprised that some professing believers would come in here and complain about the length of these sermons on such a topic. In fact I fully expected it when I saw JK make the OP which I felt was appropriate and that those walking closely would appreciate. A 3 hour per football game double header is appropriate but not preaching. :laugh: :wavey:

Perhaps these would complain about the length of eternity as well. I mean anything just to be contrary, right?

You're correct Icon, the topic isn't nearly exhausted. Reminds me of Lloyd-Jones book 'The Assurance of Our Salvation' which is some nearly 700 pages on John 17. It's rich in depth and some plainly are neither.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Exactly. :thumbs:

I'm not surprised ... /// [middle part of post] /// ... plainly are neither.

Without attempting to be hypercritical but nonetheless taking into account so many of the "cheerleading" posts rendered by the seemingly dominant clique on-board here, I just want to point out, this is typical of those anywhere -- not just this board -- who believe being deeply rooted in theology, doctrine and dogma is preferable to being steeped in the word, not simply to "know" but to be rooted, per the psalmist:

Psalm 1, NASB
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water,
Which yields its fruit in its season
And its leaf does not wither;
And in whatever he does, he prospers.​

And for what purpose do we become rooted? To suck up water? Or to flourish? Jeremiah gave us the answer, telling us to consume the Word.

Jeremiah 15
16 Your words were found and I ate them,
And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart;
For I have been called by Your name,
O LORD God of hosts.​

No one is told to "delight" in the words, opinions, or theories of a man, even though they may be titularly, or evenly solidly, based on God's Word. We are told ...

Psalm 37
Delight yourself in the LORD;
And He will give you the desires of your heart.
​

I have rarely seen any on this board proclaim, "Study the Word!" Newbies, the hurting, the strayed, the angry are all told "Read Calvin!" "Read Pink!" "Read Tozer!"

I say, "Read Christ!"

So many here have forgotten all these other venerated teachers are just that, teachers. Christ is the Living Word. Pastors are just men, and while I receive excellent sustenance from my church and its pastor every week, two and three times a week, I will let Christ speak to me through His Word and through our conversations together daily. I will also continue to give credence to what is said in each week's sermon and in our discussions and reading during men's Bible study. I see the walk fits the talk with the men I sit with, and sit under. Some here, I don't know if the walk is compatible with the talk, and frankly, with many, I actually fear that it might be.

No one of you dares question anyone regarding wherein lies their faith, and from Whom they draw their strength. I adjure you to stop doing so. Many of you have selected your doctrine, your knowledge, and your theology based on the teaching of men. That may make you happy, satisfied, and help you to serve. So does mine, and I assure you, many of yours do not match up with mine, leading me to question the source from which your knowledge and conviction comes. That, in addition to being profoundly grateful for our differences.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

You would sit in front of a TV to watch nascar or football for hours.You make listening to sermons to be a burden rather than a joy or delight.
Five hours is just an introduction.

Actually I wouldn't do either.

I have no problem listening to sermons - but there a key words in the titles that clue me in to what the message is going to be about.

'Struggle theology' is a clue word to mock those who realise that the Christian life is going to be a battle or a race. It requires diligence and effort. It is either a fight or Paul lied. That is 'struggle theology.'

And I don't know about the rest of you, but I realise that the outcome of the war is settled - but that doesn't mean we are not going to have battles along the way.