Types of Calvinists

Are you saying God did not predestinate us?

 

1st..its not my flower.

How can God keep you forever? Do you not have the will to turn your back on God?

 

You don't think you added your doctrine into those verses? You don't think you added meaning to fit what you believe?

I have asked you to explain this verse:

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Where have I changed the meaning, context, or any of the words in this verse? Understand? Yet?

BTW, I don't expect you to tell me what you think the verse means. (You never have before.)

 

Yes you have asked me this...about 10-15 times. And what have i said each time?

 

Are you being "willfully ignorant"? The verse clearly says "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

I underlined the words that you ignored and changed.

 

Ok Blammo..lets go for it. Do you have the time tonight? I will stay up all night if you want. Can you?

 

You didn't say a thing. You answered my question with several questions.

 

You get two hours if you wish. Maybe it should be a new thread though.

 

I hold to the text dearly.

now...the underlined text.....who is this?

Saved?
Unsaved?
but don't go after you answer this..there is more

 

As MS says....start it up

 

Why would I do that? And no.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I'm saved, but, I'm still a man.

 

They are saved.

 

So your baseing your view on this verse?

 

So is it fair to say...

all those that are conformed to Chirst image are saved?

BTW..I started that thread. I HOPE YOU CAN GET TO IT TONIGHT...IF YOU HAVE TIME

 

Yes, all who are saved will be conformed to the image of God's Son.

 

I have time. I'm still here an hour after your last post. Where are you? I even posted on the other thread you started. Hello.... hello.... testing 1,2,3.... hello..... oh well.

 

Are you saying that will be conformed....or are they conformed?

In other words...is there a state where are saved, yet not conformed?

 

It's a process that begins when we are saved. I don't think you believe you are the image of Christ, do you? You are like him, in that you are now a son of God, (by adoption), you now have some of his characteristics, though not perfect, but, you are getting more like him daily.

 

So then you would say it is linked to the word "predestinate" and should be looked at as one subject?

Sorry...I need to go to bed.


Talk with ya tomorrow.

 

I can say enough to set your teeth on edge james; :laugh: