UFO Disclosure

[MJ33]

What a lovely statement from ignorance or denial.

 

[MJ33]

Here is the account of the beginning of the "Belgium Wave" as written by Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (ret.) of the Belgium Air Force.

Two federal policeman, Heinrich Nicoll and Hubert Von Montigny, made the most important report. At 5:15 p.m., while patrolling on the road between Eupen and the German border, they saw a nearby field lit with such intensity that they could read the newspaper in their car. Hovering above the field was a triangle craft with three spotlights beaming down and a red flashing light at the center. Without making a sound , it moved slowly toward the German border for about two minutes and then suddenly turned back toward the city of Eupen. The policemen followed. Other independent witnesses reported that they saw the strange object along the same road. It remained over the town of Eupen for approximately thirty minutes and was seen by numerous additional witnesses. The object then proceeded to Lake Gileppe, where it remained immobile, hovering for approximately one hour, while Nicoll and Von Montigny sat in their car on a nearby hill and witnessed an extraordinary spectacle. The craft repeatedly emitted two red light beams with a red ball at the spearhead of both beams, in the horizontal plane. Subsequently, the beams disappeared and the red balls returned to the vehicle. A few minutes later, another cycle started, each cycle lasting several minutes. Hubert Von Montigny said it was like a diver shooting an arrow from an underwater gun that slows down at the end of its trajectory and is subsequently retrieved by the diver.
But there was more to come. Suddenly, at 6:45 p.m. the policemen saw a second craft, which appeared from behind the woods and made a forward tilting maneuver, exposing the upper side of the fuselage. They described a dome on the upper structure with rectangular windows, lit on the inside. It then departed to the north. About forty minutes later, at 7:23 p.m., the first craft stopped emitting the red light balls and departed to the southwest. The two policemen, who were in radio contact with their dispatch, learned that another UAP (unidentified aerial phenomenon) had been reported in the north of Eupen, and they drove to an observation point, south of the highway E 40. From that position, they saw the UAP moving to the village of Henri-Chapelle, where two of their police colleagues, Dieter Plumanns and Peter Nicoll (no relation to Heinrich Nicoll), saw the craft approaching from the direction of Eupen.-UFO's Generals, Pilots, And Government Officials Go On The Record/Leslie Kean

After reading the above account, would you have come to the conclusion that it was the planet Venus? Cause that was the explanation given?!?!?Roflmao

 

[InTheLight]

Is this the UFO sightings that went on for several months with thousands of witnesses yet only one photo? And didn't the photographer admit it was a hoax?

Edited to add : Is it too much to have the account include the date when it occurred?

 

[MJ33]

Is this the UFO sightings that went on for several months with thousands of witnesses yet only one photo?

Is this the UFO sighting that went on for several months with thousands of witnesses yet everyone seems to ignore and deny the evidence and instead prefer to pay attention to some guy making a fake picture?

Yes.

And didn't the photographer admit it was a hoax?

Yes, and?

Edited to add : Is it too much to have the account include the date when it occurred?

November 29, 1989

How about you address the existing evidence instead of focusing on some dude and a picture, who by the way had this to say:

Patrick explains that it were the witnesses' descriptions of "the Belgian triangle" that inspired him to build a lookalike model. He further asserts that he has always been a true believer ("I believe in UFOs, I believe in ufology and I'm sure the Belgian wave was the real thing").-Triangles Over Belgium

By the way, did you come up with the conclusion that the object in the account I provided was Venus?

 

[InTheLight]

Is this the UFO sighting that went on for several months with thousands of witnesses yet everyone seems to ignore and deny the evidence and instead prefer to pay attention to some guy making a fake picture?

What evidence are you referring to? There is no video, no photos.

November 29, 1989

How about you address the existing evidence instead of focusing on some dude and a picture

What evidence are you referring to? There is no video, no photos.

By the way, did you come up with the conclusion that the object in the account I provided was Venus?

How would I know? There is no video, no photos. Thousands of people claimed to have seen this over many months. No pictures?


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[MJ33]

What evidence are you referring to? There is no video, no photos.

Here is General De Brouwer again:

"We have observed at certain instances a correlation between the data from two on-board radars (F-16s) and at least one ground radar. The detection of identical signals by three different systems in a given moment leads us not to exclude that one or more unidentified device did effectively move within Belgian airspace...in any case, the Air Force has arrived [at] the conclusion that a certain number of anomalous phenomena [have] been produced within Belgian airspace."-A Critique of: The So-Called "Belgium UFO Wave" - A Critical View - Skeptic Report

Give that link in the quote a thorough read, there is plenty of evidence in there.

In law, rules of evidence govern the types of evidence that are admissible in a legal proceeding. Types of legal evidence include testimony, documentary evidence and physical evidence.-wikipedia/evidence

In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact.-wikipedia/testimony

Then of course there is the 1976 Tehran UFO incident I posted about earlier in the thread.

There is also the COMETA report which contains cases with radar evidence and plant and soil samples.

The study's originators are four-star General Bernard Norlain, former commander of the French Tactical Air Force and military counselor to the prime minister; General Denis Letty, an air force fighter pilot; and Andre Lebeau, former head of the National Center for Space Studies, the French equivalent of NASA.

They formed a 12-member ''Committee for In-depth Studies,'' abbreviated as COMETA, which authored the report. Other contributors included a three-star admiral, the national chief of police, and the head of a government agency studying the subject, as well as scientists and weapons engineers.-ufoevidence.org/Leslie Keane

-COMETA Report Part 1

-COMETA Report Part 2

 

[MJ33]

I will ask again, is Venus a logical conclusion to the following?
Stop trying to change the subject or avoid it, just answer the question.

Here is the account of the beginning of the "Belgium Wave" as written by Major General Wilfried De Brouwer (ret.) of the Belgium Air Force.

Two federal policeman, Heinrich Nicoll and Hubert Von Montigny, made the most important report. At 5:15 p.m., while patrolling on the road between Eupen and the German border, they saw a nearby field lit with such intensity that they could read the newspaper in their car. Hovering above the field was a triangle craft with three spotlights beaming down and a red flashing light at the center. Without making a sound , it moved slowly toward the German border for about two minutes and then suddenly turned back toward the city of Eupen. The policemen followed. Other independent witnesses reported that they saw the strange object along the same road. It remained over the town of Eupen for approximately thirty minutes and was seen by numerous additional witnesses. The object then proceeded to Lake Gileppe, where it remained immobile, hovering for approximately one hour, while Nicoll and Von Montigny sat in their car on a nearby hill and witnessed an extraordinary spectacle. The craft repeatedly emitted two red light beams with a red ball at the spearhead of both beams, in the horizontal plane. Subsequently, the beams disappeared and the red balls returned to the vehicle. A few minutes later, another cycle started, each cycle lasting several minutes. Hubert Von Montigny said it was like a diver shooting an arrow from an underwater gun that slows down at the end of its trajectory and is subsequently retrieved by the diver.
But there was more to come. Suddenly, at 6:45 p.m. the policemen saw a second craft, which appeared from behind the woods and made a forward tilting maneuver, exposing the upper side of the fuselage. They described a dome on the upper structure with rectangular windows, lit on the inside. It then departed to the north. About forty minutes later, at 7:23 p.m., the first craft stopped emitting the red light balls and departed to the southwest. The two policemen, who were in radio contact with their dispatch, learned that another UAP (unidentified aerial phenomenon) had been reported in the north of Eupen, and they drove to an observation point, south of the highway E 40. From that position, they saw the UAP moving to the village of Henri-Chapelle, where two of their police colleagues, Dieter Plumanns and Peter Nicoll (no relation to Heinrich Nicoll), saw the craft approaching from the direction of Eupen.-UFO's Generals, Pilots, And Government Officials Go On The Record/Leslie Kean

 

[Rolfe]

What a lovely statement from ignorance or denial.

 

[InTheLight]

I will ask again, is Venus a logical conclusion to the following?
Stop trying to change the subject or avoid it, just answer the question.

I would venture to say that, no, it was not Venus, for Venus is not triangular shaped with red lights.

So what was it?

 

[InTheLight]

There is also the COMETA report which contains cases with radar evidence and plant and soil samples.

-COMETA Report Part 1

-COMETA Report Part 2

Hey, thanks for posting this. Good for some laughs. I especially liked the explanation as to why cars are shut down around UFO's, the part about seeing Earth's past with a well placed mirror on a planet several light years away, and the part about humans colonizing the asteroid belt. In other words that was a really cool paper about science fiction.

 

[Rolfe]

 

[MJ33]

I would venture to say that, no, it was not Venus, for Venus is not triangular shaped with red lights.

So what was it?

With absolute certainty, I don't know. That's the point. This phenomenon needs to be taken seriously so we can investigate further and demand disclosure!

Having said that, I have a couple ideas. One is the extraterrestrial hypothesis and in this particular case there is some speculation that it could be black budget technology. Possibly the so-called TR-3B which supposedly uses tech from recovered ET craft.

Disclosure and awareness (for starters) is my primary focus as well as with many others in ufology. Disclosure is also something some people in power have pressed for in the past and even today! Consider John Podesta who was Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff, Counselor to Obama and is currently Chairman of Hillary Clinton's Presidential campaign. John Podesta spoke at a National Press Club event in 2002 calling for the disclosure of UFO files. You can hear him speak here:

Podesta also Tweeted in February of 2015:

1. Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files. #thetruthisstilloutthere cc: @NYTimesDowd-Washington Post

Podesta's most recent Tweet to Lena Dunham after she interviewed Hillary:

“Great interview, @lenadunham. But Lena, ask her about aliens next time!! #TheTruthIsOutThere http://hrc.io/1jusxfk cc: @HillaryClinton”-Openminds.tv

Why would Podesta be encouraging interviewers to ask Clinton about aliens?

Well because of the Laurance Rockefeller UFO Initiative. In the 90's Laurance Rockefeller was pushing the Clinton administration for UFO disclosure. Hillary Clinton knows about UFO's, and here is the proof.

Dear Jack,
Attached are: (1) A draft letter to the President which Laurance has been discussing with Mrs. Clinton and her staff; and, (2) A draft report on the "best evidence" about UFOs.
Laurance thinks that it is perhaps timely to send a letter to the President. We think the "best evidence" report, although we haven't reviewed it in detail or analyzed it, is a good piece of work.
Laurance would like to discuss these items by telephone, perhaps on Thursday, November 2 between 11:30 and 12:30, if this is convenient for you.

Sincerely, Henry Diamond
-paradigmresearchgroup.org

Here is another FOIA document that specifically refers to Hillary's knowledge of the UFO phenomenon and the Rockefeller Initiative.

-Paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller Initiative Docs

Check out all the documents relating to the Rockefeller Initiative here:

-Paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller Initiative

 

[MJ33]

Hey, thanks for posting this. Good for some laughs. I especially liked the explanation as to why cars are shut down around UFO's, the part about seeing Earth's past with a well placed mirror on a planet several light years away, and the part about humans colonizing the asteroid belt. In other words that was a really cool paper about science fiction.

If you think science fiction is that far off, you may want to research what our mainstream science is currently doing, let alone what classified black budget projects are doing, and even more so what an advance civilization could be doing.

Also, do you seriously think that because you find something funny, that that somehow changes anything?

That's interesting.

 

[MJ33]

So in other words because you can't address the information and evidence I have presented, you turn into a child and post nonsense?

 

[Rolfe]

So in other words because you can't address the information and evidence I have presented, you turn into a child and post nonsense?

I certainly have addressed it. With memes.

 

[MJ33]

I certainly have addressed it. With memes.

Attaboy!! ThumbsupGood for you!

 

[Rolfe]

 

[Rolfe]

Attaboy!! ThumbsupGood for you!

Cheers.

 

[InTheLight]

If you think science fiction is that far off, you may want to research what our mainstream science is currently doing, let alone what classified black budget projects are doing, and even more so what an advance civilization could be doing.

Because of my background in electrical engineering, my 10 years of work on the Strategic Defense Initiative in the 80's-90's (space based sensors), and on ongoing interest in science and astrophysics, I can tell you with certainty that two of the things I objected to in the Comesta articles were pure fantasy, and the third was science fiction.

Back in the 80's I can remember reading magazines extolling the fantastic things that scientists were working on with SDI and knowing most of it was embellishments.

As to what black budget projects an advanced civilization may be doing, well that does go to my point about science fiction and fantasy. My sources tell me there is a fantastic blue box resembling a British police call box that is bigger on the inside than the outside and can travel anywhere in space and time.

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[Rolfe]

My sources tell me there is a fantastic blue box resembling a British police call box that is bigger on the inside than the outside and can travel anywhere in space and time.

Who told you this?