Christforums
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Do not multiply your wives or in other words make peace treaties. Of course, that was for Israel, a nation held accountable to a higher standard than the Gentile nations.
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Ukraine War
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Do not multiply your wives or in other words make peace treaties. Of course, that was for Israel, a nation held accountable to a higher standard than the Gentile nations.
A Torah scholar I see… I also study it and enjoy Rabbi Friedman’s podcasts. Met him in Brooklyn once to repair a Mikva. We sat down to chat after in his dining room. Smart man!
atpollard
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GERMAN disinformation site (fact checker for rumors):
DISINFO: Victoria Nuland is the long-standing chief architect of the war in Ukraine
SUMMARY
Victoria Nuland – Deputy US Secretary of State and long-standing chief architect of the war in Ukraine, from the Orange Revolution to the violent Maidan coup against the democratically elected government in Kyiv, to Kyiv's policy of oppression against the Russian-speaking Donbas and the war against Russia.
RESPONSE
Baseless recurring disinformation claim about Victoria Nuland. The claim that a US diplomat should be 'the chief architect' is misleading and lacks substantial evidence. Besides, it seeks to remove political identity and determination from the Ukrainian people. The claim plays on the classic Kremlin trope of "lost sovereignty".
The Euromaidan Protests and U.S. Involvement: The Euromaidan movement (2013-2014) was a popular uprising sparked by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden rejection of an EU trade agreement in favour of closer ties with Russia. These protests reflected widespread discontent in the Ukrainian society with corruption and authoritarianism under Yanukovych, culminating in broad-based demonstrations and him fleeing from Ukraine. Claims that the U.S., through Nuland, orchestrated the events seeks to neglect is an oversimplification. While she supported the protests and was involved in U.S. aid initiatives, there is no evidence of a U.S. backed coup.
Donbas Conflict and Russian Aggression: The narrative of "Kyiv's oppression" of Russian speakers in Donbas is contradicted by the evidence of Russia's role in fomenting and militarising separatist movements. After Yanukovych’s removal, Russia annexed Crimea and supported separatists in Donbas, exacerbating the conflict. The war resulted from these actions, not Nuland’s diplomacy.
Broader Context: Russian propaganda often frames U.S. support for Ukraine as a direct threat, aligning with claims of Western interference in its sphere of influence. This narrative aims to delegitimise Ukraine's sovereignty and its people's aspirations for closer ties with Europe.
While Nuland played a significant role in U.S. policy during the Ukraine crisis, portraying her as the "chief architect" of the war ignores the agency of Ukrainian protesters and the role of Russian aggression in escalating the war against Ukraine.
Christforums
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That's a name I haven't heard for a long time, but Friedman's commentary on the Torah was the first book I read throughout my Christian conversion. The book remains on my shelf, pages are falling out - signs of being read.
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Invasion? Still getting your information from one side, I see. The Russians are protecting the oblasts that had voted for secession. And this was only after several years of attack from the Kiev regime. Of course, you don't know any of this because it doesn't show up on your "news" sites.
atpollard
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According to the United Nations, YES, Russia invaded Ukraine (there were sanctions in response).
I try to avoid all the NEWS Entertainment Outlets and stick to observable facts.
(are there Russian Citizens in uniform inside of territory that was part of Ukraine in 2013? That is the definition of an invasion.)
Which of the following three individuals have the power to command Russian Soldiers to leave that land?
Trump.
Zelenskyy.
Putin.
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Don't you think that we needed a leader who was more than just a " business as usual" Republican? One who could take the helm and steer us away from from a pending shipwreck? None of the other primary candidates impressed me enough to believe that they were up to the challenge.
As far as Putin goes, all he wants is what is best for Russia. He wants peace because war is costly and no one really wins, but the intimidation factor of having NATO armament at the Russian border with Ukraine is what prompted the invasion.
NATO members were well aware that an invasion would happen if they persued Ukrainian NATO membership.
On the surface, it looks like NATO was behaving like children on a playground try to push two other kids into a fight in order to steal their lunch pails while they were preoccupied with fighting.
That IS the problem, in a nutshell.
atpollard
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While the primaries are “day late and dollar short” (and off topic), most of the other candidates were better choices.
Nice revisionist history you have there. So what about all the countries that Russia saved from independence before Ukraine, was NATO responsible for that too. Was peace loving Putin FORCED a to invade country after country?
On the surface, we are reliving the appeasement of Adolf Hitler that made him bold and dragged the World into the Second World War. If we just allow Putin to conquer ONE MORE COUNTRY, then he will finally be satisfied and the world will have peace.
Disinformation ?
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Whose, Disinformation ?
Who has lied to the American people about Ukraine? Say about the bio labs? Whose labs were they? Who built and paid for them? Why?
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"Nice revisionist history you have there. So what about all the countries that Russia saved from independence before Ukraine, was NATO responsible for that too. Was peace loving Putin FORCED a to invade country after country?"--ATPOLLARD
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Are you talking about the Soviet Union?
Since that break-up and Russia dumped Communism and became more Christianized they haven't captured any more territory that I am aware of.
After the reunification of Germany, it was agreed that Germany could join NATO, but NATO wouldn't expand further eastward. NATO failed to keep that promise and Ukraine was the line in the sand drawn by Russia.
There's money to be made in war times at the cost of human life. Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex which operates outside the parameters of established government policies. If there's no boogey man to go after, they create one through false flags and propaganda. Then government officials are bribed and blackmailed to support aggressive actions which necessitate more arms manufacturing and money being sent overseas to tyrants which is channelled back to our honorable elected represntatives to support their political careers and make them fat and happy.
Oh well, so much for that rant.
Maybe when you and I fix this world peace problem, we can get started on world hunger.
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Are you talking about the Soviet Union?
Since that break-up and Russia dumped Communism and became more Christianized they haven't captured any more territory that I am aware of.
After the reunification of Germany, it was agreed that Germany could join NATO, but NATO wouldn't expand further eastward. NATO failed to keep that promise and Ukraine was the line in the sand drawn by Russia.
There's money to be made in war times at the cost of human life. Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex which operates outside the parameters of established government policies. If there's no boogey man to go after, they create one through false flags and propaganda. Then government officials are bribed and blackmailed to support aggressive actions which necessitate more arms manufacturing and money being sent overseas to tyrants which is channelled back to our honorable elected represntatives to support their political careers and make them fat and happy.
Oh well, so much for that rant.
Maybe when you and I fix this world peace problem, we can get started on world hunger.
I am just surprised by how many folks here, some of whom write quite well on other subjects, just glibly demonize Russia. Your second paragraph is quite on target. Russia doesn't want outright enemies armed right next to them. It's similar to the Russian missiles in Cuba in the 60s, which were a response to our Missiles in Turkey.
So, you take their assessment as gospel. I am glad that Trump is looking into reevaluate our commitment to the UN. They are not the conclave of disinterested wisdom that many seem to think they are. OAN has a good article on them. They abuse us, all the while sucking us dry financially. And for what?
My concerns are Putins criminal past activities as his typical operating system…
When John McCain called Putin a “thug and a murderer,” this is what he was talking about
A long list of abuses.
qz.com
I’m convinced that Putin is a criminal and a threat to democracy. My only real concern is, is Trump supporting Putin’s objectives?
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I think the issue with Trump should be US objectives, regardless as to where Russia's interest falls.
The US was involved in removing an elected president from the Ukrane because that leader was pro-Russia. That is not democratic. And Zelenskyy is not the best example of a democratic leader either.
This is not to say that Putin is the "good guy".
But why should the US borrow money to send to Zelenskyy in order to keep a war going? Even if there is a peace by war that peace can only be maintained by strength which would mean continued funding by the US.
To end the war peacefully both nations (Russia and Ukraine) will have to compromise. This will require a trust that probably can't be had. But the idea of continuing to borrow money to give to a nation that does not have the resources to defend itself is not a good solution.
I get Israel. It is important to the US that Israel maintain a strong stance because their enemies have the objective of destroying us as well. But Ukraine is merely a pawn Europe is using in a proxy war to weaken a potential threat to Europe.
It should be possible to find out from Putin what would satisfy him in the way of security guarantees, but still leave an independent Ukraine. But I think you will find is that he wants what Hitler called Lebensraum. Room for the Russian-speaking people, and never mind that most people in Ukraine speak Ukrainian (who knew?), so he will also want Moldova and Poland, and probably Finland.
More people in the eastern areas of Ukraine speak Russian than Ukrainian, 87% (in the south it is 82%). I found plenty of proof in those areas. I was easily understood when I spoke to them, although my Russian is not great. Even in Kiev, I actually heard more Russian than I expected. In fact I found out that it is the main language used informally. All of this in spite of the Kiev regime's attempt to oust or at least marginalize it.
That Lebensraum claim is not really credible. But I understand that is the line that is always repeated in mainstream outlets or, since we are using Nazi terms, Volksempfänger.
Oh, and Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Sorry, I forgot.