Understanding God's sovereignty

[Dave...]

Yes Gods purpose is the author of sin, God isnt the doer of sin.

Bright, think about what is being said here. For God to be the author of sin, He would need to be the cause of it, just as He is the Author of good. We see the two contrasted here, with there respected causes. God is not just the Author of good, He is the Author of life (Acts 3:15). If He caused sin, He would be a house divided against itself.

James:1:13-17 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

Gods purpose is the author of sin, God isnt the doer of sin.

Please see post #21

 

[Brightfame52]

Bright, think about what is being said here. For God to be the author of sin, He would need to be the cause of it, just as He is the Author of good. We see the two contrasted here, with there respected causes. God is not just the Author of good, He is the Author of life (Acts 3:15). If He caused sin, He would be a house divided against itself.

James:1:13-17 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

Gods purpose is the author of sin, God isnt the doer of sin.

Please see post #21

I saw it, it has no relevance in my statement

Gods purpose is the author of sin, God isnt the doer of sin.

 

[JonC]

@JonC



it does, and your logic is flawed. Nothing and nobody exists without Gods purpose.

I agree that nothing and nobody exists without God's purpose. But that is not your argument.

I referenced a passage in James and you basically said "hogwash" because God created everything. Another passage even tells us how sin originates (and it is not with God).

Like I said, this is an either or issue. You or God is wrong. Now, if I was a betting man . . .

Gods purpose is the author of sin, God isnt the doer of sin.

God's purpose cannot author anything. God can.

But with sin Scripture tells us exactly how it is authored. It is authored by the human mind, by men allowing themselves to be carried away by their own lust. This is how sin is conceived, and from there it is acted upon (men do the sin).

There are several problems with your logic.

First, you make a nonsensical claim (that God's purpose authors sin, apparently using an abstract so as not to blaspheme and simply say that God is the first cause or author of sin).

Second, your logic is flawed because the presence of the elements (man. setting the mind on human desires, and temptations) does not sin make.

Third, you are making an assumption that God purposes for men to sin (the first major error of hyper-calvinism within orthodox Calvinism).

Fourth, you are trusting your philosophy to an extent you essentually deny Scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

@JonC

I agree that nothing and nobody exists without God's purpose. But that is not your argument.

It is my argument. Gods purpose is the first and primary cause for everything that happens in His world, He created it for His Purpose in Christ Jesus.

 

[Brightfame52]

@JonC

God's purpose cannot author anything. God can.

They are the same