unvaccinated a threat to the nation, the LEFT now says

[dad2]

I agree about the power grabs being evil. It amazes me that the whole issue shifted on an election (when Trump was President the anti-COVID-vaccine people were Democrats but with the election sides have changed).

And I would urge any woman who is pregnant to stay away from the vaccine (actually, from most of the vaccines out there).

Right, but it may be difficult because I think most women these days work. For many women, who may be nurses, or doctors, or flight attendants, dental hygienists, teachers, policewoman, etc etc being vaccinated might be a part of what their job requires. Then there is the media and medical profession constantly recommending the shots. Then there is the travel issue, if they wanted to visit another country soon, they would know they would need the shots.

About the political aspects--yes that is weird. Another thing that raises a red flag on the covid issues is that not only are media seemingly all in bed together and in lockstep, but nations all over the world are seemingly marching to the same orders.

 

[dad2]

The word, ’Assume’ ... clarified as, when you assume, you are making an ass out of you and me.

It took a minute but I goth that one

 

[dad2]

Me thinks thou protest too much...

Methinks you lack context for misplaced quotes.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Methinks you lack context for misplaced quotes.

"The lady protesteth too much methinks." (Hamlet, Act 3 scene 2. No guarantee I got the quotation exactly correct.)

 

[Van]

Methinks you lack context for misplaced quotes.

The old "fairy dust" of "context" disclaimer. I provided links to support my view, which of course provides the context.

 

[JonC]

First, most conservative Republicans have never been "on board" with the vaccine. Dems 180 flipped, but most folks I know we're never in support of the vaccine being fast tracked. Definitely we're never in support of any mandatory vaccine.

Why you discouraging pregnant women from getting vaxed? Same health organizations that say everyone else should get vaxed are saying they should definitely get vaccine. You picking and choosing when to believe them?
Have they changed their position and I don't know about it? If so,bits further evidence that they know nothing and we are all guinea pigs.
I will take my chances with the Covid and let y'all be the test rats. First time I had it, it was minor sinus infection symptoms. StRistics say second time would be even milder if not completely asymptomatic. I am also supposedly more immune to Delta variant than you. Who knows!

The current guidance regarding pregnant women is they can get vaccinated but it is recommended (not required) that they consult their physician.

So no, I'm not picking and choosing what to believe. I am not recommending a erroneous get a vaccine or refrain from getting one. There are risks both ways.

 

[JonC]

Right, but it may be difficult because I think most women these days work. For many women, who may be nurses, or doctors, or flight attendants, dental hygienists, teachers, policewoman, etc etc being vaccinated might be a part of what their job requires. Then there is the media and medical profession constantly recommending the shots. Then there is the travel issue, if they wanted to visit another country soon, they would know they would need the shots.

About the political aspects--yes that is weird. Another thing that raises a red flag on the covid issues is that not only are media seemingly all in bed together and in lockstep, but nations all over the world are seemingly marching to the same orders.

Those are decisions each must make. Such is life.

I am subject to an occupational radiation exposure of 500 mRem annually. That is a part of the job. If I refuse the exposure (or refuse to work in a radioactive area) then I have to find another job.

Your pastor has to be a Christian. If he renounced his faith he should loose his position.

 

[Reynolds]

The current guidance regarding pregnant women is they can get vaccinated but it is recommended (not required) that they consult their physician.

So no, I'm not picking and choosing what to believe. I am not recommending a erroneous get a vaccine or refrain from getting one. There are risks both ways.

The recommendation is that everyone is recommended (not required) to get vaccine. How are you not picking and choosing?

 

[dad2]

"The lady protesteth too much methinks." (Hamlet, Act 3 scene 2. No guarantee I got the quotation exactly correct.)

Right, I know the quote, the problem was it didn't fit.

 

[dad2]

The old "fairy dust" of "context" disclaimer. I provided links to support my view, which of course provides the context.

It did not explain the fraud of including deaths that were only related to covid, or involved covid somehow, rather than stats that involve actual deaths truly due to covid itself. But you were told that already and truth does not seem to weigh in for your replies.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am one of the unvaccinated.

My reasons for not being vaccinated are not one of the blanket reasons listed by the media. I have had more than one serious encounter with someone that angrily insisted that I personally or "people like me" are personally endangering them.

I am worried where this is all going.

Some of these vaccine companies are on the verge of losing a lot of money. And they cannot be sued for anything they do to try and prevent such losses.

The blanket insistence that the vaccine is entirely safe for pregnant woman is one of my greatest concerns. I recently watched a documentary on the drug thalidomide. For all our technological advances we have not gotten any wiser or more careful than doctors and scientists of the past.

You do not want a child to get sick from any vaccine. And that’s what worries me the most. Back over 40 years now they gave my older sister a vaccine that rendered her totally brain damaged. The medial profession never owned up to it and I don’t see anything that has changed. Note this is experimental drug and you will need to sign a waiver that says they are not responsible for any health problems that might befall you or your children. Note that after my sisters experience, it would have been better had she died, the heartache was that crushing... and the pharma companies, the government, the doctors... they all did nothing to help. We were left to deal with a very precious and beautiful child who could not feed, clothe, walk, talk, go the bathroom by herself( totally incapacitated ) total invalid. Now I also want you to know that this wasn’t an isolated incident. There was a nationwide cover up ... and I saw it first hand. Makes you question much. Bottom line, it might and could happen again so guard your children extremely well, question everything and demand answers. Don’t let the past become the present because you won’t be able to live with yourself.

 

[dad2]

Those are decisions each must make. Such is life.

I am subject to an occupational radiation exposure of 500 mRem annually. That is a part of the job. If I refuse the exposure (or refuse to work in a radioactive area) then I have to find another job.

Your pastor has to be a Christian. If he renounced his faith he should loose his position.

Not sure if that last sentence was directed at another poster and was mistakenly added here? It makes no sense to me.
When a Nazi regime came to power, more and more jobs also required compliance to the regime or there were consequences. Decisions had to be made. When kids at school are exposed to all sorts of filth and slime and lies, we could say the parents have a choice. However in reality many people don't have realistic choices. For example some single parent families who can't stay home every day and home school. When most nations stop travel from those who chose not to get the twilight zone shots that limits what choice the unvaxxed can make. When election fraud puts regimes into power, that limits the value of choices a majority make. The Jews rounded up and sent to camps in Hitler's Germany didn't have a lot of choice either. Sure we could say they could have killed themselves, or somehow fled the country..etc..but the bigger issue here seems to be the new despotism. If the time comes soon that the unvaxxed can't work, or travel, or maybe shop and etc etc, then we are not talking about 'decisions each must make'.

 

[Van]

It did not explain the fraud of including deaths that were only related to covid, or involved covid somehow, rather than stats that involve actual deaths truly due to covid itself. But you were told that already and truth does not seem to weigh in for your replies.

More denial of the obvious

 

[JonC]

The recommendation is that everyone is recommended (not required) to get vaccine. How are you not picking and choosing?

I think you missed my point (I was referencing the CDC guidance for pregnant women).

Pregnant women can get the vaccine.

It is neither recommended or not recommended.

The recommendation was that pregnant women consult their physician.

But this consultation is a recommendation and not a requirement.

 

[JonC]

Not sure if that last sentence was directed at another poster and was mistakenly added here? It makes no sense to me.
When a Nazi regime came to power, more and more jobs also required compliance to the regime or there were consequences. Decisions had to be made. When kids at school are exposed to all sorts of filth and slime and lies, we could say the parents have a choice. However in reality many people don't have realistic choices. For example some single parent families who can't stay home every day and home school. When most nations stop travel from those who chose not to get the twilight zone shots that limits what choice the unvaxxed can make. When election fraud puts regimes into power, that limits the value of choices a majority make. The Jews rounded up and sent to camps in Hitler's Germany didn't have a lot of choice either. Sure we could say they could have killed themselves, or somehow fled the country..etc..but the bigger issue here seems to be the new despotism. If the time comes soon that the unvaxxed can't work, or travel, or maybe shop and etc etc, then we are not talking about 'decisions each must make'.

The comment was not really directed at anyone.

I'm saying we all have to make choices when it comes to employment. If the employer has a requirement we are unwilling to fulfill then we find other employment (not demand the employer bow to our desires).

 

[dad2]

You do not want a child to get sick from any vaccine. And that’s what worries me the most. Back over 40 years now they gave my older sister a vaccine that rendered her totally brain damaged. The medial profession never owned up to it and I don’t see anything that has changed. Note this is experimental drug and you will need to sign a waiver that says they are not responsible for any health problems that might befall you or your children. Note that after my sisters experience, it would have been better had she died, the heartache was that crushing... and the pharma companies, the government, the doctors... they all did nothing to help. We were left to deal with a very precious and beautiful child who could not feed, clothe, walk, talk, go the bathroom by herself( totally incapacitated ) total invalid. Now I also want you to know that this wasn’t an isolated incident. There was a nationwide cover up ... and I saw it first hand. Makes you question much. Bottom line, it might and could happen again so guard your children extremely well, question everything and demand answers. Don’t let the past become the present because you won’t be able to live with yourself.

Looks like '90% of people over the age of 50 that are newly infected' were already vaccinated in Israel!

"At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated."

More than 1,000 Israelis test positive for COVID

In Israel also they researched and found about 18 drugs that seem to be as effective, or more effective (up to 100%) than the jab!

"identifying 18 drugs they felt could be effective."

Israeli lab: Some existing drugs could stop COVID at almost 100%

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Back over 40 years now they gave my older sister a vaccine that rendered her totally brain damaged.

I have a sister that developed blisters all over her body and ran a high fever and had convulsions after a small pox vaccine. We were living outside the USA in country that still vaccinated for Small Pox. My parents said the vaccine was either old or not refrigerated properly. There is much I do not know, but I grew up seeing the permanent scars on her body. I am cautious about vaccines, especially the conditions that they are actually administered, rather than assuming the controlled theoretical best-case-scenario delivery.

There is a lot going on around these vaccines that leaves me cautious. I am not anti-vaccine. But I am cautious about the delivery of certain brands of vaccines to certain high-risk subgroups of people under the real-life conditions they are being administered.

 

[dad2]

More denial of the obvious

It is obvious you failed to provide evidence that the deaths you cited were from actual covid as the cause deaths. (as opposed to a contributing factor supposedly) Sorry, you lose.

 

[Van]

It is obvious you failed to provide evidence that the deaths you cited were from actual covid as the cause deaths. (as opposed to a contributing factor supposedly) Sorry, you lose.

This gentleman thinks contributing to the deaths of thousands a month is a game. Nuff said...

Some not so bad news. In the linked article the CDC put out a graph of life expectancy for babies born in a particular year. The downturn last year was caused in part by Covid. However, if you look back to 1918 a far greater downturn occurred due to WW1 and that Pandemic. God bless those who created our vaccines and those who took the vaccines to try and protect humanity.

US life expectancy in 2020 saw biggest drop since WWII

 

[JonC]

Looks like '90% of people over the age of 50 that are newly infected' were already vaccinated in Israel!

"At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated."

More than 1,000 Israelis test positive for COVID

In Israel also they researched and found about 18 drugs that seem to be as effective, or more effective (up to 100%) than the jab!

"identifying 18 drugs they felt could be effective."

Israeli lab: Some existing drugs could stop COVID at almost 100%

This is one major problem with armchair docs. We can all find support for our ideas (whether pro or anti vax)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/

And 50% of the newly infected are 16 years or under non-vaccinated. The number of vaccinated newly infected is large in your article because it targets a population of mostly vaccinated people (age 50 or older). But if you consider total numbers you can see the article did a bit of data manipulation.