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Vaccine Passports
- Thread starter JonC
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Reformed1689
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Nobody has the right to my health information. No passport. I will not sacrifice freedom for perceived security.
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
If the vax passports would help get the economy started again then ok. Problem is that if we still have people that refuse to come in out of the cold and start thinking of others instead of just themselves. Then it should work to get this thing under control If and that is a big IF but from what I have seen and heard nothing will move the needle for some people.
I think what really is getting to people is all those that are whining about the restrictions and yet they will do nothing to help get rid of them. These people really need to get their heads on straight. Live with the restrictions or get a shot, it should not be that difficult a choice. But it sure is for some.
I think what really is getting to people is all those that are whining about the restrictions and yet they will do nothing to help get rid of them. These people really need to get their heads on straight. Live with the restrictions or get a shot, it should not be that difficult a choice. But it sure is for some.
nonaeroterraqueous
Active Member
Those of us not of the ovine species need a third alternative.
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
Well since there are only two 1] get vax no restrictions 2] no vax get restrictions. What do you think would be a viable third option?
You sound just like the Tories who opposed colonialist protests against the Crown prior to the American Revolution. The Tories tried to make those protests as the actions of selfish people who refused to check their liberty for the good of the colony; to which the Sons of Liberty said, "Hogwash!"
There are other ways to deal with the pandemic besides a vaccine passport. This is not Nazi Germany or an Eastern block nation. If these cultural Nazis try to force American citizens to "show their papers" they are in for a rude awakening. Sure. Blue cities and states will probably be keen to the idea; mostly because they have a worse infection than COVID-19. It is called stupidity. But even in those states there are ardent patriots who will not stand for such an assault on their liberty. Red states such as Florid and Texas will do their best to ignore a federal order.
Then you have calculate on outright rebellion by a majority of the American people. They will see this for what it is; not an attempt to eradicate a virus, but an as an assault on liberty itself.
As for for those of you who do not mind ceding your liberty, feel free to do so. As for me and those like me, "Don't tread on me."
And for the record. I am not an anti-vaxer or anti-masker. I believe in reasonable precautions and individual liberty.
There is a difference. Vaccine passports are not ways to deal with the pandemic. They are just easier than having to carry proof of vaccines (they are digital).
It has nothing to do with liberty, and the comparison to Nazi Germany is unfair (it is sensationalism). I suspect you know this.
A better parallel is requiring vaccinations for children (and college students) to go to school.
You are right that rebellion is a part of our cultural makeup. We tend to naturally rebellion against authority. Some view the vaccine as a health issue while others see it as a government exercising its will.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Another person who hates freedom.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Freedom
If you want to see a nation who 99% of the time gets it wrong, Israel is your model.
Y'all are paving the way for the Mark of the Beast and don't even care. This is a trial run for the Mark.
No man can buy, sell, or trade without that mark. Y'all don't even care.
I don't know. And it does not matter.
Point is we need to move on and get things back to some type of normal. We cannot allow those who reject vaccines to deprive us of living in a free nation. Let the unvacvinated make their choice, but the rest of us should not be restricted due to their choice.
It is time to move forward.
Leave people alone and let freedom ring.
If the vax actually works, the vaxed are fine. If the gloom and doom vaxers are right, all the unvaxed will die. Let people make their own decisions. You are turning the nation over to Communists and the system of the beast because you are scared out of your mind by a flu strain that is not even very deadly. The SKAMdemic is working as planned.
You are right and wrong. The "you are paving the way to the mark" argument is a tired argument. As a Christian I believe this will occur in God's timing and Christians are not endanger of receiving a mark.
This is no different than vaccinations to attend college. My son had to get a few shots and provide his shot record to be a resident student.
People should do the same to attend certain venues.
Move on then. If the vax works, you are fine. Let freedom ring and quit trying to be tyrants.
Will not, nor will I ever, support creating a second class group of citizens that are subservient to an upper class and restricted from providing for their family. Especially when the proposed second class would exist partially because of Christian Moral Objections.
Christians who believe it's moral to bulldoze their brethren's conscience on this issue are in direct violation of the Bible and will face severe judgement in the form of a millstone-around-the-neck for making little ones stumble over this.
From a worldly perspective, we also step closer to genocide each time this is brought up. The passport is nothing more than an "Us vs them" identifier to split a populace in two.
Christians who believe it's moral to bulldoze their brethren's conscience on this issue are in direct violation of the Bible and will face severe judgement in the form of a millstone-around-the-neck for making little ones stumble over this.
From a worldly perspective, we also step closer to genocide each time this is brought up. The passport is nothing more than an "Us vs them" identifier to split a populace in two.
This is not true. There is more at stake.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Unvaccinated pose a risk. We should not be robbed of our freedom because some do not want to be vaccinated. Let people choose whether to get a shot, but we need to move on as a nation. We do not need to force people to comply with a vaccine BUT we can't just give up our freedom either.