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[The Biblicist]

Nice try again to justify voting for that which is against Christ.

Governments are ordained by God (Rom. 13:1-5) and are to be ministers of righteousness for God. Paul wrote when the ungodly Roman empire was ruling over the face of the earth. Our government is not as bad as the government in rule when Paul wrote these words

In fact.......

The declaration of Independence is based upon the definition that our "rights" come from "nature and nature's God" and that the purpose of government is "to secure these rights." That declared definition of "rights" and that declared purpose for government is completely in harmony with Romans 12:1-5.

Hence, as a Christian you can Biblically support those two basic principles found in our constitution.

Obama opposes those two basic principles while Romney supports them.


However, regardless of who is running to direct our nation, you have the Christian obligation to obey Romans 12:1-5 whether it is a Roman Empereor who claims to be a godman or whether it is an American President. You have the responsibility to support light over darkness and just as you have a responsibility to support your brethren in the Lord and not one of them is sinless either. You have an obligation to be light and salt in all of your actions as a Christian and as a citizen in keeping with the command in Romans 13:1-5.

However, what you are doing is hiding behind irresponsibility under a pretense of righteousness.

 

[saturneptune]

a pretense of righteousness.

That is the best summary I have seen to describe the motivation.

 

[Zaac]

Governments are ordained by God (Rom. 13:1-5) and are to be ministers of righteousness for God.

Is that Romans 13:5.5? :laugh:

Paul wrote when the ungodly Roman empire was ruling over the face of the earth. Our government is not as bad as the government in rule when Paul wrote these words

That's your opinion.

In fact.......

The declaration of Independence is based upon the definition that our "rights" come from "nature and nature's God" and that the purpose of government is "to secure these rights." That declared definition of "rights" and that declared purpose for government is completely in harmony with Romans 12:1-5.

I'm not at odds with this.

Hence, as a Christian you can Biblically support those two basic principles found in our constitution.

Obama opposes those two basic principles while Romney supports them.

Nice try. Romney rejects Jesus Christ so he rejects all of the law and trying to fit a worldly bow on it to accommodate the need to vote for him may pass with you, but not with me.

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owever, regardless of who is running to direct our nation, you have the Christian obligation to obey Romans 12:1-5 whether it is a Roman Empereor who claims to be a godman or whether it is an American President. You have the responsibility to support light over darkness and just as you have a responsibility to support your brethren in the Lord and not one of them is sinless either. You have an obligation to be light and salt in all of your actions as a Christian and as a citizen in keeping with the command in Romans 13:1-5.

You're correct. I have a responsibility to to support light over darkness. And that's why I'm standing firmly with Jesus and rejecting the darkness from BOTH anti-Christ candidates.:applause:

However, what you are doing is hiding behind irresponsibility under a pretense of righteousness.

You may have sipped from the cliques' Kool Aid. What you see is what you get. I don't have to pretend to be anything for anyone especially the folks on THIS overly hypocritical board.

 

[The Biblicist]

Is that Romans 13:5.5? :laugh:

Laugh at this if you dare:

Rom. 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Tit 3:1 ¶ Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

1Pe 2:13 ¶ Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

That's your opinion.

Are we forced by law to worship the President as god and man? Rome required this of its citizens toward Caesar.

I'm not at odds with this

Oh yes you are. When you stand by idle and do nothing within your power to protect those rights you are guilty of destroying them.

Nice try. Romney rejects Jesus Christ so he rejects all of the law and trying to fit a worldly bow on it to accommodate the need to vote for him may pass with you, but not with me.[/QUOTE

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You're correct. I have a responsibility to to support light over darkness. And that's why I'm standing firmly with Jesus and rejecting the darkness from BOTH anti-Christ candidates.:applause:



You may have sipped from the cliques' Kool Aid. What you see is what you get. I don't have to pretend to be anything for anyone especially the folks on THIS overly hypocritical board.

 

[The Biblicist]

Is that Romans 13:5.5? :laugh:

Laugh at this if you dare:

Rom. 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Tit 3:1 ¶ Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

1Pe 2:13 ¶ Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

That's your opinion.

Are we forced by law to worship the President as god and man? Rome required this of its citizens toward Caesar.

I'm not at odds with this

Oh yes you are. When you stand by idle and do nothing within your power to protect those rights you are guilty of destroying them.

Nice try. Romney rejects Jesus Christ so he rejects all of the law and trying to fit a worldly bow on it to accommodate the need to vote for him may pass with you, but not with me.

That is a rediculous argument! His personal religious views are only valid IF he forces them upon others. He stands for those basic principles in the constitution while Obama clearly does not but wants to change our republic into a socialistic country and invalidate these constitutional principles.

You're correct. I have a responsibility to to support light over darkness. And that's why I'm standing firmly with Jesus and rejecting the darkness from BOTH anti-Christ candidates.:applause:

You are taking a position against Christ when you do not stand up and do what you can to promote just causes. Romney is running on a platform that promotes Biblical causes (Biblical marriage, pro-life) while Obama not only is promoting a platform that repudiates Biblical marriage and promotes abortion but even late term abortions. Christians like you that smuggly flounder in the self-righteousness are promoting evil by refusing to take responsibility to do what you can to uphold those who at least oppose more ungodliness.

 

[Zaac]

Laugh at this if you dare:

Rom. 13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Tit 3:1 ¶ Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

1Pe 2:13 ¶ Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Why would I laugh at God's word? i laughed at YOUR words. That's not part of Scripture.

Are we forced by law to worship the President as god and man? Rome required this of its citizens toward Caesar.

Who said anything about forcing anyone to worship the President?

Oh yes you are. When you stand by idle and do nothing within your power to protect those rights you are guilty of destroying them.

Again, your opinion. I'm combating idleness the wickedness of supporting that which is against God.

What rights am I standing idly by and doing nothing about?

 

[saturneptune]

We now return you to The Intelligent Post Network. For the Christian, guided by the Holy Spirit, every child of God on this board is voting his or her conscience. In a church business meeting, or when a difference of opinion rises in your local church, one does not point at the person disagreeing and call him a supporter of a false god concept. We all together as a nation decide our next President. Each of us are alone in a voting booth, and each of us has the Holy Spirit as a guide. The least we can do is respect another's opinion as long as done with an honest heart.

 

[Zaac]

That is a rediculous argument! His personal religious views are only valid IF he forces them upon others. He stands for those basic principles in the constitution while Obama clearly does not but wants to change our republic into a socialistic country and invalidate these constitutional principles.

I don't care what he stands for in the Constitution before I care what he stands for in Christ. He's 100% against Christ.

His personal religious views are only valid if he forces them upon others? That's ridiculous. I'm sure at one point folks thought homosexuality is only valid if they are forcing it upon others. Lo and behold that's the very same logic that the homosexuals have used to legitimize homosexuality as "OK".

You are taking a position against Christ when you do not stand up and do what you can to promote just causes.

Yes, by telling folks to not support a man who worships a false god, I'm taking a position against God. thank you for clearing that up for me.:laugh:

Romney is running on a platform that promotes Biblical causes (Biblical marriage, pro-life)

And as I've said from day 1, yall can save the Romney promotes Biblical causes spill or that he is morally aligned with Christianity because it's a bunch of hypocritical nothingness.

The man rejects Jesus Christ so yall need to stop authoring this confusion that he supports or promotes ANYTHING of GOD! He promotes his own selfishness and his own agenda as does everyone who rejects Christ. And yall keep trying to justify voting for him by trying to attach Godly morals to a man who rejects God.

while Obama not only is promoting a platform that repudiates Biblical marriage and promotes abortion but even late term abortions.

And again you can save it. Because just like so many others on here you're quick to talk about the abortion and the same sex marriage, but you just don't seem to have a problem with that man worshiping a false god.

Christians like you that smuggly flounder in the self-righteousness are promoting evil by refusing to take responsibility to do what you can to uphold those who at least oppose more ungodliness.

And Christians like you smugly promote the "sacrifice" you think you're making to oppose "more unGodliness" as though God has asked for your sacrifice.

He asked for your OBEDIENCE, not your sacrifice.

 

[Don]

God asked for our obedience. So I'm gonna respect the authorities placed over me. And when those authorities tell me I need to vote for the next president, I will (and I already have). And I prayed before I voted, and asked God if I should vote for a man who says he's a Christian, but supports abortion, wants people to rely on the government instead of the bible, and thinks the benefits of the hard work of others should be given to those that don't work; or if I should vote for a man who says he's a Christian, but isn't, but thinks abortion is wrong, that people should rely on biblical principles instead of government handouts, and that "he who doesn't work, doesn't eat." And since my particular state didn't give me any other choices, I let God guide my hand and cast my ballot.

Now, just waiting to see what God gives us at the end of the day Nov 6.

 

[LadyEagle]

God asked for our obedience. So I'm gonna respect the authorities placed over me. And when those authorities tell me I need to vote for the next president, I will (and I already have). And I prayed before I voted, and asked God if I should vote for a man who says he's a Christian, but supports abortion, wants people to rely on the government instead of the bible, and thinks the benefits of the hard work of others should be given to those that don't work; or if I should vote for a man who says he's a Christian, but isn't, but thinks abortion is wrong, that people should rely on biblical principles instead of government handouts, and that "he who doesn't work, doesn't eat." And since my particular state didn't give me any other choices, I let God guide my hand and cast my ballot.

Now, just waiting to see what God gives us at the end of the day Nov 6.

Agreed, knowing that a whole lot of believers are praying and voting.

 

[LadyEagle]

By The Biblicist: Paul wrote when the ungodly Roman empire was ruling over the face of the earth. Our government is not as bad as the government in rule when Paul wrote these words.

To which Zaac replied "That's your opinion."

You are correct, Bib, it is not an "opinion." Obviously Zaac does not know Roman history. So, here's a tease: Tiberius was the Roman ruler during the time of Jesus Christ (14 AD to 37 AD), Tiberius a sick pedophile, who snatched children from their parents and brought them to live at his palace at the island of Capri, doing unspeakable things to them, tossing people and children off of the high cliffs to plunge to their deaths, at will, and whose adopted son, Caligula, a sick, evil, demented, and insane creature killed him and seized control of the Roman Empire. Caligula was worse, and ordered statues of himself placed in temples, shrines and synagogues so people could worship him.

If Zaac or anyone is curious about how demented these 2 rulers were, or in how much blood lust was enjoyed by the Caesars, you just need to Google or watch some History channel specials. In fact, there is a special On Demand on Comcast right now about Caligula.

To learn about Caligula, especially, gave me a greater appreciation for the Apostle Paul.


We haven't yet gone down the road as far as the Caesars with the present POTUS just yet. We've just had the Greek columns behind obama, his symbol on the American flag, his homosexual parties at the WH, circumventing Congress and the Constitution, and the endless propaganda and lies from the WH so far.....

 

[The Biblicist]

Why would I laugh at God's word? i laughed at YOUR words. That's not part of Scripture.

My words were simply a paraphrase of Paul when he said this:

Rom. 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The additional scriptures reinforce Paul's words which I paraphrased by saying: "and are to be ministers of righteousness for God."

Who said anything about forcing anyone to worship the President?

Go back and look at your own words which I responded to! You said it was my own personal opinion that the Roman government in Paul's day was worse than our American Government. You don't know history too well do you? Lady Eagle spelled some out for you. Case in point is that Rome required its citizens to worship Ceasar as god but we have freedom of religious liberty in America.

Again, your opinion. I'm combating idleness the wickedness of supporting that which is against God.

No it is not my opinion. That is a clear Biblical principle. You are responsible to use your influence in this world against evil with all opportunites you are afforded and voting is one of them.

If every Christian refused to vote until they could find someone sinless, our society would be far more evil than it is now.

Both Obama and Romney are obviously false Christians. Most past presidents have been no better - empty professions. However, voting is ALWAYS about the choice between lessor of two evils and always will be in this world. If you are waiting for a sinless candidate then you will NEVER vote.

What rights am I standing idly by and doing nothing about?

I used to think like you when I was young and idealistic. We are to resist evil by our influence (salt, light) and we do resist evil when we have the opportunity to restrain the greater of two evils from controlling our society.

 

[Zaac]

To which Zaac replied "That's your opinion."

You are correct, Bib, it is not an "opinion." Obviously Zaac does not know Roman history. So, here's a tease: Tiberius was the Roman ruler during the time of Jesus Christ (14 AD to 37 AD), Tiberius a sick pedophile, who snatched children from their parents and brought them to live at his palace at the island of Capri, doing unspeakable things to them, tossing people and children off of the high cliffs to plunge to their deaths, at will, and whose adopted son, Caligula, a sick, evil, demented, and insane creature killed him and seized control of the Roman Empire. Caligula was worse, and ordered statues of himself placed in temples, shrines and synagogues so people could worship him.

If Zaac or anyone is curious about how demented these 2 rulers were, or in how much blood lust was enjoyed by the Caesars, you just need to Google or watch some History channel specials. In fact, there is a special On Demand on Comcast right now about Caligula.

To learn about Caligula, especially, gave me a greater appreciation for the Apostle Paul.


We haven't yet gone down the road as far as the Caesars with the present POTUS just yet. We've just had the Greek columns behind obama, his symbol on the American flag, his homosexual parties at the WH, circumventing Congress and the Constitution, and the endless propaganda and lies from the WH so far.....

Gosh. well that settles it. Lady Eagle says it so now it's factual. In the words of my 6 year old niece: NOT

You haven't done anything but give your subjective opinion. :laugh:

 

[The Biblicist]

Gosh. well that settles it. Lady Eagle says it so now it's factual. In the words of my 6 year old niece: NOT

You haven't done anything but give your subjective opinion. :laugh:

What you are doing is advertising your ignorance of the history of the Roman Empire. I suggest you read up a bit before opening your mouth and advertising ignorance.

Try reading Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" or some other good history book and then make a comment that you can support with other than hot air.

 

[Zaac]

My words were simply a paraphrase of Paul when he said this:

Rom. 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The additional scriptures reinforce Paul's words which I paraphrased by saying: "and are to be ministers of righteousness for God."

Your reinforcement didn't work. It kinda looked like you were trying to add to Scripture.

Go back and look at your own words which I responded to! You said it was my own personal opinion that the Roman government in Paul's day was worse than our American Government.

And it was your opinion.

You don't know history too well do you? Lady Eagle spelled some out for you. Case in point is that Rome required its citizens to worship Ceasar as god but we have freedom of religious liberty in America.

I know it well enough to know an opinion when I hear it.:thumbsup:

No it is not my opinion.

Yes it is your opinion.

That is a clear Biblical principle. You are responsible to use your influence in this world against evil with all opportunites you are afforded and voting is one of them.

Yep. And I choose to vote against The Democrat evil and the Republican evil.

If every Christian refused to vote until they could find someone sinless, our society would be far more evil than it is now.

Stop believing what the folks on this board have obviously convinced you of. I have said a myriad of times that I was gonna write someone in as I have said numerous times that I wouldn't support Romney or Obama.

The masses on here are simply upset that folks would dare speak against the candidate they want to win so they tend to create their own versions of what I say or simply dismiss what I say as an attempt to deceive them.

So you don't have to worry about me voting. i just will not vote for the Romney anti-Christ or the Obama anti-Christ. :laugh:

Both Obama and Romney are obviously false Christians. Most past presidents have been no better - empty professions. However, voting is ALWAYS about the choice between lessor of two evils and always will be in this world. If you are waiting for a sinless candidate then you will NEVER vote.

Ungh ungh. Ain't nobody said a thing about a sinless character. Now you just said "You are responsible to use your influence in this world against evil"

So how am I voting for the lesser of two evils and using my influence in this world against evil? That doesn't make any sense.

I used to think like you when I was young and idealistic. We are to resist evil by our influence (salt, light) and we do resist evil when we have the opportunity to restrain the greater of two evils from controlling our society.

I'm not idealistic. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. And my obedience to Him does not allow me room to endorse that which is against Him under the auspice of doing my "Christian duty" by voting for that which is against Him.

Now I want you to find a nice lost person and tell them that they are to resist sin by sinning because that is essentially what you are saying.

 

[Zaac]

What you are doing is advertising your ignorance of the history of the Roman Empire. I suggest you read up a bit before opening your mouth and advertising ignorance.

And what you are doing is advertising your ignorance of Scripture. I suggest you read that some more before opening your mouth and advertising such ignorance.:thumbsup:

Try reading Edward Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" or some other good history book and then make a comment that you can support with other than hot air.

I'll pass. Seems like this might be some of the stuff that's got some of you talking about fighting evil by voting for the lesser of two evils (smh).

 

[saturneptune]

And what you are doing is advertising your ignorance of Scripture. I suggest you read that some more before opening your mouth and advertising such ignorance.:thumbsup:

The Biblicist has one of the most in depth understandings of Scripture I have seen. I sometimes do not agree with him 100%, but this is a very spiritual, intelligent person. How dare you, after using the Gospel and Scripture for your frivilous agenda, say this? You make any reasonable person want to vomit.

I'll pass. Seems like this might be some of the stuff that's got some of you talking about fighting evil by voting for the lesser of two evils (smh).

The only thing you ever passed on in life is respecting someone else's opinion. Say what you want about Obama or Romney, I do not see either of them using sacred Scripture as a game.

 

[Arbo]

Gosh. well that settles it. Lady Eagle says it so now it's factual. In the words of my 6 year old niece: NOT

You haven't done anything but give your subjective opinion. :laugh:

History is apparently not your strong suit. Or is it that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion?

 

[Arbo]

I'll pass. Seems like this might be some of the stuff that's got some of you talking about fighting evil by voting for the lesser of two evils (smh).

I rescind my earlier post. The ignorance is willful.

 

[Oldtimer]

Yep. And I choose to vote against The Democrat evil and the Republican evil.

So you don't have to worry about me voting. i just will not vote for the Romney anti-Christ or the Obama anti-Christ. :laugh:

Ahhhhh, now it's clear. Finally.

Zaac will write in Big Bird (or some such name) so that he can claim that he didn't vote for Obama or Romney. Knowing full well his write-in candidate vote will not offset another's vote for Obama.

No wonder he's been so silent with regards to how he will vote. Yet, at every opportunity, he's been bashing posters here with claims of racism and accusing them of voting for evil for their Romney support.

Zaac, what will you be doing, here, after the election results are known? If Obama wins, will you still be calling him evil? It's evident what you'll be doing if Romney wins.