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[JonC]

I live in the CSRA (about 700,000 people).

Since June 1 we have had 5,344 COVID cases.

Of these, 93% were unvaccinated.

243 were hospitalized.

Of these, 86% were unvaccinated.

We have had 36 deaths.

Of these, 90% were unvaccinated.


This is why I dismiss the anti-vax claims. Not because I doubt their sincerity but because their "facts" do not appear true where I live.

 

[Reynolds]

Sure you do. We do not allow Mormons to teach in our church.

The problem comes in when we allow people to mislead other people for fear of violating free speech.

It would be different if those stating the false materials would be held responsible. But right now people think "free-speech" means saying what one wants without accountability.

The families of those anti-vax people who died of covid should be able to sue people who spread anti-vax propaganda.

People get caught up in agendas and forget there are people involved.

Suppose the kid who begged for the vaccine as he was dying of covid called you up right before he died and let you know the reason he declined the vaccination was your statements. How would you feel? Would you care? Or is he just a number to be ignored because he doesn't fir the anti-vax agenda?

What if the mother of the vax injured vegetable called you up? Same scenario?
That's why the FDA is supposed to do the modeling. If it's been done, show it to me. I honestly want to see it.
I can pretty much guarantee you if they do the risk modeling the same as it's been done on the past, the only group that would warrant vax is 60 and older.

 

[Reynolds]

I live in the CSRA (about 700,000 people).

Since June 1 we have had 5,344 COVID cases.

Of these, 93% were unvaccinated.

243 were hospitalized.

Of these, 86% were unvaccinated.

We have had 36 deaths.

Of these, 90% were unvaccinated.


This is why I dismiss the anti-vax claims. Not because I doubt their sincerity but because their "facts" do not appear true where I live.

38 in 700,000. Take out the comorbities and it's probably miniscule number.

According to EU, I am vaccinated and can get a passport. What they know we don't. I heard that straight from EU PM. Positive antibody test is eligibility for vaccine passport.

 

[JonC]

What if the mother of the vax injured vegetable called you up? Same scenario?
That's why the FDA is supposed to do the modeling. If it's been done, show it to me. I honestly want to see it.
I can pretty much guarantee you if they do the risk modeling the same as it's been done on the past, the only group that would warrant vax is 60 and older.

I would tell her I am sorry that happened to her.

I would tell you that is why I am more careful about what I post. I will not be one to make decisions for other people (I believe our citizens are entitled to facts - not just cons of obe side but pros and cons to both sides).

I have never once said the vaccine is without risk. I have never once said the vaccine is without benefit.

But anti-vaxers and pro-vaxers are fear pushers alike.

The fact is one has more chances of dying of covid if unvaccinared - but that dies not remove the fact that there can be serious reactions to vaccines.

 

[JonC]

38 in 700,000. Take out the comorbities and it's probably miniscule number.

According to EU, I am vaccinated and can get a passport. What they know we don't. I heard that straight from EU PM. Positive antibody test is eligibility for vaccine passport.

No. You are not entitled to guess about comorbities because you would not afford that possibility with those who had ill effects post vaccine.

What they can, and have, done is compare lung x-rays between vax and non-vax covid positive patients so they can discern specifically the damage done by the virus. Non-vaxers have it much worse.

I pray having had covid will also help you should you get it again. From what I have seen, if you had a mild case it may be a difficult go, but having recovered from a more severe case may help you out.

 

[Reynolds]

I would tell her I am sorry that happened to her.

I would tell you that is why I am more careful about what I post. I will not be one to make decisions for other people (I believe our citizens are entitled to facts - not just cons of obe side but pros and cons to both sides).

I have never once said the vaccine is without risk. I have never once said the vaccine is without benefit.

But anti-vaxers and pro-vaxers are fear pushers alike.

The fact is one has more chances of dying of covid if unvaccinared - but that dies not remove the fact that there can be serious reactions to vaccines.

And by that same logic, one has a tremendously greater risk of vaccine injury if they take the vax as opposed to someone who did not take it.

 

[Reynolds]

No. You are not entitled to guess about comorbities because you would not afford that possibility with those who had ill effects post vaccine.

What they can, and have, done is compare lung x-rays between vax and non-vax covid positive patients so they can discern specifically the damage done by the virus. Non-vaxers have it much worse.

I pray having had covid will also help you should you get it again. From what I have seen, if you had a mild case it may be a difficult go, but having recovered from a more severe case may help you out.

I said you could look at co morbidities of vaxed reactions. I specifically said there were none in the cases referenced.
You seem to be misinformed about antibody production. You are going by what was said earlier in the pandemic. They are now seeing that Severity of case has nothing to do with antibodies. Many asymptomatic people have antibodies. Many hospitilized have no antibodies. Depends on person and not severity. Doc that did my test said he has seen most consistent levels in asymptomatic patients. Said lots of hospitilized patients he had never developed antibodies.

 

[Wingman68]

I also found this today, worthwhile, at least to me.

“In years to come some of you will no doubt tell yourselves that you didn’t see where things were going but that will be a lie. You did see all the signs but you deliberately chose to ignore them.
Everyone knows (or should know) how totalitarianism incrementally transforms a society into a monstrous mirror image of itself and I am exhausted from trying to warn you.
Indeed I am watching as our world is transformed into a paranoid, pathologized, authoritarian dystopia where people now have to show their “papers” to see a movie or get a cup of coffee, and publicly display their ideological conformity to enter a supermarket and buy groceries.
I am watching as the masses are being encouraged to openly persecute “the Unv**xed,” the official “Untermenschen” of the new ideology. And I am watching as this ideology does precisely what every totalitarian movement in history has done before it.
So when you tell me that you “had no clue where the trains were going” I hope you will understand why I no longer trust you, and why I regard you as cowards and collaborators.
Yes, that’s harsh, but this is not a game. Our constitutional and human rights have been revoked, transferring power out of sovereign governments and democratic institutions into unaccountable global entities that have no allegiance to any nation or any people.
This is what is happening and the time for you to “wake up” is over. At this point, you either join the fight to preserve what is left of those rights for you and your children, or you surrender to the new global regime.
This isn’t an abstract argument; it is a fight, a political, ideological fight.
On one side is democracy, on the other is totalitarianism. We are being segregated into “good people” (i.e., compliant) and “bad” (i.e., non-compliant). The “good people” are being encouraged by the authorities and the corporate media to unleash their rage on us, to demand our segregation in internment camps, demonize us, and ultimately force violence on us. This is where we’ve been heading all along, and it feels like things are about to get very ugly. Those of us who are fighting to preserve our rights, and some basic semblance of democracy, are outnumbered, but we haven’t had our final say yet. There are millions of us, and we are wide awake.
So pick a side, but before you do, perhaps look back at the history of totalitarian systems, which, for some reason, never seem to work out for the totalitarians, at least not in the long run. I suspect that might have something to do with our inextinguishable desire for freedom, and our willingness to fight for it, sometimes to the death.
So pick a side, and pick soon. I for one will never forget which side you chose.”

 

[xlsdraw]

You can’t step away from your agenda for five minutes. How about this? I’ll remove my prayers from your post, & try, very hard, to ignore you, since I can’t block a mod.

Amen. It is ridiculous, that such a contentious poster, who practices the art of virtue signaling, is allowed to be a moderator, and not allowed to be blocked.

 

[JonC]

And by that same logic, one has a tremendously greater risk of vaccine injury if they take the vax as opposed to someone who did not take it.

Of course they do. All vaccines carry a risk.

People routinely take medication for high blood pressure. The medication itself carries a risk (even a risk of death). But they weigh the risk of the medication with the risk of high blood pressure.

I take lisinopril for blood pressure (a very low dose.....started when I became a moderator ). I know it can lead to heart damage, diabetes, kidney issues, kidney disease, etc...even death....and I know aspirin can make it worse. But high blood oressure, IMHO, poses a greater risk. So I take the medication.

By your logic I should not take blood pressure medication because the medication does not actually cure the issue and there can be serious consequences. But it is my decision.

Those 90% unvaccinated people did not die of the vaccine, and ironically those 10% didn't either.

 

[JonC]

I said you could look at co morbidities of vaxed reactions. I specifically said there were none in the cases referenced.
You seem to be misinformed about antibody production. You are going by what was said earlier in the pandemic. They are now seeing that Severity of case has nothing to do with antibodies. Many asymptomatic people have antibodies. Many hospitilized have no antibodies. Depends on person and not severity. Doc that did my test said he has seen most consistent levels in asymptomatic patients. Said lots of hospitilized patients he had never developed antibodies.

But the same applies to recent deaths (reported in the CSRA) of due to covid. The lie anti-vax people love to tell (and that can now be dismissed) is thise dying of covid had other non-vovid related issues.

 

[Wingman68]

I am currently buying property in the ‘CSRA’. I have a brother in Aiken, & a sister in Columbia Co. My Dad died last year in the deserted ‘overwhelmed’ hospital in Augusta. He did not die of covid, but it is listed on his death certificate. I grow tired of hearing second hand ‘facts’. I’m putting them in the old recycle bin. A PA in Texas just said…..if the patient dies, & is vaxxed, they no longer put covid on the death certificate, even when they are symptomatic. Nope. It’s only the unvaxxed who are now dying from covid.

 

[Reynolds]

Wed

Of course they do. All vaccines carry a risk.

People routinely take medication for high blood pressure. The medication itself carries a risk (even a risk of death). But they weigh the risk of the medication with the risk of high blood pressure.

I take lisinopril for blood pressure (a very low dose.....started when I became a moderator ). I know it can lead to heart damage, diabetes, kidney issues, kidney disease, etc...even death....and I know aspirin can make it worse. But high blood oressure, IMHO, poses a greater risk. So I take the medication.

By your logic I should not take blood pressure medication because the medication does not actually cure the issue and there can be serious consequences. But it is my decision.

Those 90% unvaccinated people did not die of the vaccine, and ironically those 10% didn't either.

Jon, look at the patient information sheet that your pharmacist should have given you first time you got it filled. They give me a sheet that detailed with Covid vax, I might take it.
Why they not giving one?

 

[Reynolds]

But the same applies to recent deaths (reported in the CSRA) of due to covid. The lie anti-vax people love to tell (and that can now be dismissed) is thise dying of covid had other non-vovid related issues.

The majority of deaths had comorbidities. (From what I have heard)

 

[NewMusic]

I copied this off of one of the Canadian fb pages that has yet to be removed, they’re too busy taking ours down I guess. Anyway:

Covid vaccine
If you are being forced to Vax in order to keep your job, here's a great way to handle it.
The secret is NOT to refuse it…
A friend in the NHS is being pressured to take the jab.
‘I write with regard to the matter of potential covid vaccine and my desire to be fully informed and appraised of ALL facts before going ahead.
I’d be most grateful if you could please provide the following information, in accordance with statutory legal requirements:
1. Can you please advise me of the approved legal status of any vaccine and if it is experimental?
2. Can you please provide details and assurances that the vaccine has been fully, independently and rigorously tested against control groups and the subsequent outcomes of those tests?
3. Can you please advise of the full list of contents of the vaccine I am to receive and if any are toxic to the body?
4. Can you please fully advise of all the adverse reactions associated with this vaccine since its introduction?
5. Can you please confirm that the vaccine you are advocating is NOT ‘experimental mRNA gene altering therapy’?
6. Can you please confirm that I will not be under any duress from yourselves as my employers, in compliance with the Nuremberg Code?
7. Can you please advise me of the likely risk of fatality, should I be unfortunate to contract Covid 19 and the likelihood of recovery?
Once I have received the above information in full and I am satisfied that there is NO threat to my health, I will be happy to accept your offer to receive the treatment, but with certain conditions - namely that:
1. You confirm that I will suffer no harm.
2. Following acceptance of this, the offer must be signed by a fully qualified doctor who will take full legal and financial responsibility for any injuries occurring to myself, and/or from any interactions by authorized personnel regarding these procedures.
3. In the event that I should have to decline the offer of vaccination, please confirm that it will not compromise my position and that I will not suffer prejudice and discrimination as a result?
I would also advise that my inalienable rights are reserved.’
The point being though, is that they CANNOT provide that information but you’ve NOT refused…

Be careful to correct a couple mistakes in that "letter" above if you are going to use it or send it to others to use.

The word "jib" should be corrected to "jab", as I have done in my copy above.

And "it's" should be corrected to "its" in statement #4 regarding "its introduction".

 

[JonC]

Wed

Jon, look at the patient information sheet that your pharmacist should have given you first time you got it filled. They give me a sheet that detailed with Covid vax, I might take it.
Why they not giving one?

I took the Moderna vacvine and was given an information sheet. Pretty bad possible side effects. But I took it at an alternate site.

My son went to a pharmacy and had the Phizer vaccine. He did get a patient information sheet detailing much of the same side effects.

Maybe you need to find a different doctor if they are offering the vaccine without information.

 

[JonC]

The majority of deaths had comorbidities. (From what I have heard)

I understand you think most of the 4.29 million who died of covid had comorbidities. I just doubt your discernment given the numbers.

Of the deaths I know of, none had pre-existing conditions except a couple were elderly.

Edit: by "know of" I mean first hand knowkedge.

 

[Reynolds]

I am currently buying property in the ‘CSRA’. I have a brother in Aiken, & a sister in Columbia Co. My Dad died last year in the deserted ‘overwhelmed’ hospital in Augusta. He did not die of covid, but it is listed on his death certificate. I grow tired of hearing second hand ‘facts’. I’m putting them in the old recycle bin. A PA in Texas just said…..if the patient dies, & is vaxxed, they no longer put covid on the death certificate, even when they are symptomatic. Nope. It’s only the unvaxxed who are now dying from covid.

A doc on talk radio said his hospital instructed them not to test vaxed patients. So, 100% of their deaths that get reported are unvaxed.

 

[Reynolds]

I took the Moderna vacvine and was given an information sheet. Pretty bad possible side effects. But I took it at an alternate site.

My son went to a pharmacy and had the Phizer vaccine. He did get a patient information sheet detailing much of the same side effects.

Maybe you need to find a different doctor if they are offering the vaccine without information.

I have seen the sheet. You honestly can with a straight face tell me it's as detailed as your sheet on Lisinopril? Even close?

 

[Reynolds]

I understand you think most of the 4.29 million who died of covid had comorbidities. I just doubt your discernment given the numbers.

Of the deaths I know of, none had pre-existing conditions except a couple were elderly.

Edit: by "know of" I mean first hand knowkedge.

First hand, I don't know of anyone who died of Covid.