Was it God's will for Adam to Sin ?

[The Biblicist]

however, when someone says we do not have to do anything when we are saved, that DOES NOT mean we can do evil! God did NOT nail being honest to the cross, or faithfulness.

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

Isa. 64:6 ¶ But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Mt 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.


Tit. 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


You have nothing INSIDE you that is clean until you are first cleansed by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit! Therefore, "not by works of righteousness which we have done" as we are all unclean and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rages.

We must first be "created in Christ Jesus" first "UNTO" good works second.

Until you are regenerated and justified by faith YOU ARE UNCLEAN and all your works of righteousnesses are as FILTHY RAGS.

We are not denying that a child of God should live holy and obedient lives. We are simply denying that such lives are the cause of being regenerated or justified but rather holy obedient lives are the PRODUCT and fruit of INNER CLEANSING and JUDICAL RIGHTEOUSNESS provided by Christ and the HOly Spirit. The inside must first be cleansed before the outside can be cleaned up. You have got the mule in front of the cart and that is exactly what Paul condemns as "another gospel" in Galatians 1:6-9.

 

[Moriah]

Yes, I do know but you sure don't as you pay no attention to the context.
First, look at the context and identify who He is talking to. He is not talking to lost people but believers in him who have been following and obeying him for nearly three and half years. He is not talking about how to be saved but the benefits of believers who love him and keep his commandments HERE and NOW. He is talking about a special FELLOWSHIP not with the Holy Spirit but with "MY FATHER" and Himself "we".

What do you think it means if the Father and Jesus make their home with you? It means you will receive the Holy Spirit! What do you think it means that Jesus will reveal himself to those who love him by obeying him? IT MEANS HE WILL GIVE THEM THE HOLY SPIRIT AND GIVE THEM UNDERSTANDING.

If he had been talking to lost people or about lost people, or how to be saved or how to get to heaven you might at least had some valid point but he is not.

You are ridiculous. Jesus says HE REMAINS IN GOD’S LOVE BECAUSE HE HIMSELF OBEYS. Do you still not understand? Jesus is telling people that we have to have his teachings and obey them or we will not remain in God’s love.

There is a huge difference between saying obey me IN ORDER TO receive the Holy Spirit and saying the Holy Spirit bears witness of these things in those who are obeying him. Good works (Eph. 2:10) are the evidences of having been created in Christ Jesus:

You deny the Truth, then you move on to more scripture to try to disprove the Truth.

You are attempting to reverse this order by saying that "good works" are UNTO being created in Christ Jesus. Hence, again the difference between your gospel and the gospel of Christ is that you reverse cause ("his workmanship") and consequences (your "good works").

No, you are saying we can be evil and continue to be evil as long as we say we believe.

Finally, LOVE is the only right motive for doing "good works" or keeping His commandments. However, you make salvation the motive for keeping His commandments and doing "good works." That reversal is the difference between true and false justification and the true and false gospel.

What you say here makes no sense. More twisted logic, if you can call it logic.
John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[Moriah]

Paul's anger was directed against the very gospel you teach as he said "let them be accursed" (Gal. 1:8-9).

First, you are teaching Law keeping for salvation when you teach commandment keeping in order to be justified. Law is commandment keeping of ANY KIND!

Go learn what Romans 3:27 means! The term "law" is used to describe both "works" and "faith" by Paul in this verse and simply means "principle."

You are either in one of two camps. You are either in the camp that believes a person is ultimately jusitifed by the PRINCIPLE OF works through commandment keeping or by the PRINCIPLE of faith through Christ's obedience alone and they are contrasting alternatives!

Both you and HP and Moriah are explicity teaching a salvation by the "LAW" of works = commandment keeping and thus rejecting Christ, perverting the meaning of "works of the law" to something only applies to Jews when the context of Romans 3:9-28 demonstrates it refers to God's STANDARD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS in its most comprehensive meaning inclusive of GENTILES as well as Jews. The Gentiles are "under sin" equally as the Jews (Rom. 3:9). The Gentiles are equally charaterized by sin as the Jews (Rom. 3:10-18). The Gentiles are equally "under law" as the Jews (Rom. 3:19-20) because the "Law" Paul is referring to is revealed comprehensively in the Mosaic Law through commandment keeping which entails all lessor forms of revealed Law (conscience, cultural, governmental laws).

The most comprehensive detailed revelation of the righteousness of God prior to the manifestation of the incarnated Son of God was the Mosaic Law. If the Jew could not be justified by the Mosaic Law, then "no flesh" could be justified by any inferior revelation of God's law, whether it is revealed in conscience, in cultures, in governments. Only Jesus Christ comprehended true obedience to the Law of God and therefore only justification is by faith in His active and passive obedience to the Law of God not by yours!

The "works of the law" is YOUR ATTEMPT to satisfy the righteous demands of God by the LIFE YOU LIVE rather than by the LIFE Christ lived.

No where do we say to be circumcised before you can be saved. At no time did we say we could not be saved unless we observe festivals. You did not read from either of us that we are not saved if we eat certain foods.

Show me ONE time in the Bible that says people were leading others astray be telling them not to sin!

You are in horrific error for you to speak such slander to us.

You call people who preach obedience to Jesus accursed.

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus says HE REMAINS IN GOD’S LOVE BECAUSE HE HIMSELF OBEYS.

So you believe Jesus had to be saved? Or had to maintain his salvation by good works??????

Can't you see your interpretation of this passage is absurd when you are forced to use Christ as your example of obtaining the Holy Spirit and being saved by good works?????!!!!???:BangHead:

He is not talking about salvation he is talking about fruit bearing and the blessings that come with obedience out of love!!!

No, you are saying we can be evil and continue to be evil as long as we say we believe.

:laugh::laugh: No! I am saying that those who are justified by faith will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit and the evidence will be good works, obedience. Whereas, you have the cart before the horse by demanding that commandment keeping obtains justification and eternal life.

You have reversed the Biblical cause and effects and made the effects the cause of salvation/justification/eternal life. We must first be "created in Christ Jesus" BEFORE "good works" can even be performed through our life by the indwelling Holy Spirit

"For we are HIS WORKmanship created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works...."

 

[Moriah]

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

You try to use scripture to defend sin, and you see nothing wrong with it.
You quote what Job said, so explain now what he said in 16:17 yet my hands have been free of violence and my prayer is pure.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;

You try to use this scripture to defend sinning. Tell me, how did they BECOME like one who is unclean, if they were born totally depraved? This scripture is about how the Jews who were God’s people were no different than the unclean Gentiles who were not God’s people.

You have nothing INSIDE you that is clean until you are first cleansed by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit! Therefore, "not by works of righteousness which we have done" as we are all unclean and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rages.

You are only repeating what those in error have taught you to believe these scriptures mean.

 

[Moriah]

So you believe Jesus had to be saved? Or had to maintain his salvation by good works??????

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Can't you see your interpretation of this passage is absurd when you are forced to use Christ as your example of obtaining the Holy Spirit and being saved by good works?????!!!!???:BangHead:

Do you not think banging you head can cause brain damage?

Stop going against the Word of God. Read the scripture again:

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

He is not talking about salvation he is talking about fruit bearing and the blessings that come with obedience out of love!!!

Read it again. John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

:laugh::laugh: No! I am saying that those who are justified by faith will be sanctified by the Holy Spirit and the evidence will be good works, obedience. Whereas, you have the cart before the horse by demanding that commandment keeping obtains justification and eternal life.

What in the world are you talking about? More confused speech.

You have reversed the Biblical cause and effects and made the effects the cause of salvation/justification/eternal life. We must first be "created in Christ Jesus" BEFORE "good works" can even be performed through our life by the indwelling Holy Spirit

"For we are HIS WORKmanship created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works...."

If you obey Jesus' teachings, Jesus will reveal himself to you. After Jesus reveals himself to you, you will have more understanding and power to do more than you could before.

 

[Moriah]

No where do we say to be circumcised before you can be saved. At no time did we say we could not be saved unless we observe festivals. You did not read from either of us that we are not saved if we eat certain foods.

Show me ONE time in the Bible that says people were leading others astray by telling them not to sin!

You are in horrific error for you to speak such slander to us.

You call people who preach obedience to Jesus accursed.

Biblicist,

Please show me one scripture that says people were leading others astray by telling them not to sin.

 

[DHK]

Please show me one scripture that says people were leading others astray by telling them not to sin.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[The Biblicist]

You try to use scripture to defend sin, and you see nothing wrong with it.
You quote what Job said, so explain now what he said in 16:17 yet my hands have been free of violence and my prayer is pure.

Job 14:4 is in the context of what man is by birth and from birth as a NATURAL man:


1 ¶ Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.

Why is he in trouble in just a few days? Because he is born "unclean" and nothing clean can originate out of something unclean and so what originates out of a man born of woman in just a few days is TROUBLE.

Now, as typical with your ilk you want to jump completely out of the context of Job 14 into the context of Job 16:17 where he is no longer speaking of the NATURAL man but of a REDEEMED man or a believer in Christ. Yes, he was a believer in Christ:

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him:

In Job 16 he is contrasing himself as a REDEEMED man with the UNGODLY:

Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.

Of course you will now quickly dismiss Job and flee from it and do your jump and pit routine since you cannot make Job fit your errors.

Tell me, how did they BECOME like one who is unclean, if they were born totally depraved?

Your very question answers itself!!!!:laugh: Unclean = totally depraved! Job 14:1 states that the natural man "born of woman" is prone to trouble because they are by nature born unclean just as the very next chapter in Job states:

Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?

 

[Moriah]

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

DHK,
You believe 1 John 1:10 is telling people do not stop sinning because that would be leading people astray?

 

[DHK]

What do you mean these works condemn a person?
I did not say the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross; however, when someone says we do not have to do anything when we are saved, that DOES NOT mean we can do evil! God did NOT nail being honest to the cross, or faithfulness. You and Biblicist are the ones who need to understand doing right is not nailed to the cross.
As for the Ten Commandments, there are rules in the Ten Commandments for the Sabbath Day, which we are no longer judged. Jesus is our Sabbath rest. No one can judge us by a Sabbath Day.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

God's moral law is contained in nine of the Ten Commandments. The nine are repeated in the NT as commands. The Commandment concerning the Sabbath Day is not repeated for it is applicable only to the Jews as quoted above. It was never for the Gentiles.

Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
--This law, God's moral law, is written on the heart of every man. The Gentile nations, though they never have had a Bible, knows the Ten Commandments minus the Sabbath Day. These have been revealed to every man. They are written on their hearts. They know intuitively that it is wrong to steal, wrong to commit adultery, wrong to commit murder.

As for being saved, works do not maintain our salvation. We do not slavishly labor under the law, under works of any kind to get to heaven. We are under grace. We are kept by the power of God's grace. God does not demand works to be saved. Rather the believer does works because he is saved.

 

[Moriah]

Job 14:4 is in the context of what man is by birth and from birth as a NATURAL man:

1 ¶ Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.

Why is he in trouble in just a few days? Because he is born "unclean" and nothing clean can originate out of something unclean and so what originates out of a man born of woman in just a few days is TROUBLE.

Now, as typical with your ilk you want to jump completely out of the context of Job 14 into the context of Job 16:17 where he is no longer speaking of the NATURAL man but of a REDEEMED man or a believer in Christ. Yes, he was a believer in Christ:

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him:

In Job 16 he is contrasing himself as a REDEEMED man with the UNGODLY:

Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.

Of course you will now quickly dismiss Job and flee from it and do your jump and pit routine since you cannot make Job fit your errors.

Are you pretending you answered my question and defended your false beliefs? Now go back and answer my question. You used Isaiah and Job to defend total depravity. Then you quote a bunch of scriptures, change the topic, and act like you proved something. In Isaiah, they are GOD"S CHILDREN. THESE BECAME AS UNCLEAN.

Your very question answers itself!!!!:laugh: Unclean = totally depraved! Job 14:1 states that the natural man "born of woman" is prone to trouble because they are by nature born unclean just as the very next chapter in Job states:

The Gentiles were unclean. The scripture is about how the Jews were no different than the Gentiles when it came to sinning. There is no such scripture that says all humans are born totally depraved. That is a manufactured belief. Only believe what is in the Bible.

 

[Moriah]

God's moral law is contained in nine of the Ten Commandments. The nine are repeated in the NT as commands. The Commandment concerning the Sabbath Day is not repeated for it is applicable only to the Jews as quoted above. It was never for the Gentiles.

I just cannot make sense out of what you say. What do you mean it was never for the Jews?

As for being saved, works do not maintain our salvation. We do not slavishly labor under the law, under works of any kind to get to heaven. We are under grace. We are kept by the power of God's grace. God does not demand works to be saved. Rather the believer does works because he is saved.

It is not a work of the law to do right and abstain from evil. Our ACTIONS must go with our faith, or it is dead. THAT is the Word of God.

Again, show one scripture that says we do not have to stop doing evil. I am waiting for you to show me.

 

[DHK]

I just cannot make sense out of what you say. What do you mean it was never for the Jews?

My mistake. I have edited my post. The Sabbath day was never meant for the Gentiles. There is no command in the Bible for the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath Day.

It is not a work of the law to do right and abstain from evil. Our ACTIONS must go with our faith, or it is dead. THAT is the Word of God.

I read part of your post to my wife. She sat there and was completely dumbfounded. Your logic is beyond belief.
Here it is:
It is a not a work of the law to do right.
Thou shalt not lie is doing right.
Telling the truth is doing right.
Both are laws.
One of them is stated as one of the Ten Commandments (bearing false witness). Breaking it is breaking the law.
You are very confused. You do not know what you believe.

Again, show one scripture that says we do not have to stop doing evil. I am waiting for you to show me.

If you have stopped doing evil you have come to the place of sinless perfection. If that is the case, then this verse is applicable to you:

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[DHK]

DHK,
You believe 1 John 1:10 is telling people do not stop sinning because that would be leading people astray?

It is telling us that people who say they have come to the place where they say they do not sin, then they are leading people astray. Not only that, they have led themselves astray. Furthermore they are calling Christ a liar and the truth is not in them.

 

[Moriah]

My mistake. I have edited my post. The Sabbath day was never meant for the Gentiles. There is no command in the Bible for the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath Day.

A Gentile could convert to Judaism and obey the Sabbath Day command. Therefore, I do not know what your point is with saying that. Obeying the Sabbath Day is a work of the law. The Jews were God’s people because they obeyed the works of the law.

I read part of your post to my wife. She sat there and was completely dumbfounded. Your logic is beyond belief.

You only gave her part of it to read! Give her all of it to read.

Here it is:
It is a not a work of the law to do right.

The works of the law is circumcision, sin offerings, gift offerings, observance of special days.

Thou shalt not lie is doing right.
Telling the truth is doing right.
Both are laws.

YOU are the one who believes God NAILED THOSE THINGS TO THE CROSS. We STILL have to do right when we come to Jesus.

One of them is stated as one of the Ten Commandments (bearing false witness). Breaking it is breaking the law.
You are very confused. You do not know what you believe.
If you have stopped doing evil you have come to the place of sinless perfection. If that is the case, then this verse is applicable to you: 1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

DHK,
I have debated you. You have falsely accused me of being a liar. You would not admit truth. You twisted things I have said. I hope that others will be careful when reading what you say, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

 

[DHK]

A Gentile could convert to Judaism and obey the Sabbath Day command. Therefore, I do not know what your point is with saying that. Obeying the Sabbath Day is a work of the law. The Jews were God’s people because they obeyed the works of the law.

And if a Gentile converted to Judaism he would be no better off than a Muslim. They both would go to hell. They both would be without Christ. There is no command in the NT for the Gentile Christian to keep the Sabbath. The rest of the Ten Commandments are known as God's moral law.

You only gave her part of it to read! Give her all of it to read.

I did.

The works of the law is circumcision, sin offerings, gift offerings, observance of special days.

It is also The Ten Commandments. They are often referred to as the Law.
Honor thy father and mother. That is a work of the law. It is the first LAW or commandment with promise.

We STILL have to do right when we come to Jesus.

I do right because I have come to Jesus, not in order to come to Jesus, and not in order to remain saved.

I have debated you. You have falsely accused me of being a liar.

I have told you honestly and truthfully, it is not I but the word of God that tells not only you but all men are liars.
Romans 3:4 says plainly: "Let God be true, but every man a liar."
If you have a problem with that take it up with God.

You would not admit truth. You twisted things I have said. I hope that others will be careful when reading what you say, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

The word of God tells us that all have sinned. There is no one that escapes the condemnation of God. There is no one that is sinless. If any man thinks that he is sinless he is deceived.

 

[Moriah]

And if a Gentile converted to Judaism he would be no better off than a Muslim.

Pay attention, we were talking about in the Old Testament times. A Gentile could follow the law. So your point is null.

It is also The Ten Commandments. They are often referred to as the Law.
Honor thy father and mother. That is a work of the law. It is the first LAW or commandment with promise.

Answer this question; do you believe honoring your father and mother was nailed to the cross?

I do right because I have come to Jesus, not in order to come to Jesus, and not in order to remain saved.

You do not make sense. You do right for coming to Jesus, but instead you say, “I do right because I have come to Jesus.” You say, “not in order to come to Jesus,” that does not make sense. You also say, “and not in order to remain saved.” You do not care that Jesus says he remains in his Father’s love because he obeys.
You sound confused because you are confused. If you obeyed the Truth, you would be sound.

I have told you honestly and truthfully, it is not I but the word of God that tells not only you but all men are liars.
Romans 3:4 says plainly: "Let God be true, but every man a liar."

You do not even know what that scripture means. God does not call people a liar when they speak his word.

The word of God tells us that all have sinned. There is no one that escapes the condemnation of God.

You are deceitful; to pretend you are explaining to someone who does not know the Truth. If you really do not know what you are doing, then you are blind. Being blind might be to your advantage, better than deceitful on purpose.

 

[DHK]

Pay attention, we were talking about in the Old Testament times. A Gentile could follow the law. So your point is null.

When I am talking about the Ten Commandments in the NT I am not speaking of the OT times am I. So you pay attention. The Sabbath was a sign for the Jew. It was a command for the Jew and only for the Jew. It was the one command of the Ten Commandments that the Gentile Christian was not obligated to keep. We are obligated to keep the other nine, which are known as God's moral law.

Answer this question; do you believe honoring your father and mother was nailed to the cross?

Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
--The commandment is obviously in the NT. It is not simply OT law.

You do not make sense. You do right for coming to Jesus, but instead you say, “I do right because I have come to Jesus.” You say, “not in order to come to Jesus,” that does not make sense.

Perhaps you don't understand salvation.
Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works.
Works has nothing to do with being saved or remaining saved.
I came to Jesus because I was a sinner in need of a Savior. It was Jesus that saved me. I put my faith in him.
The good that I do is because of Him. He works in me so that I do good. I want to please my Savior. I do good because of Him who died for me. I don't do good in order to maintain my salvation; I do good to please my Savior. Even if I didn't do good, I wouldn't lose the eternal life that Christ gave me.
I do good BECAUSE I have come to Jesus; not in order to come to Jesus.
Jesus does not accept good works. One cannot merit salvation. All our works are as filthy rags. There is nothing of our own that we can bring. Salvation is all of God.
I do good BECAUSE I have come to Him; not in order to come to Him.

You also say, “and not in order to remain saved.” You do not care that Jesus says he remains in his Father’s love because he obeys.
You sound confused because you are confused. If you obeyed the Truth, you would be sound.

I am saved and remain saved because my salvation is in the hand of my Savior, Jesus Christ. He gave me the gift of eternal life. Eternal life can never become temporary. If one could lose salvation then Christ would be lying. Eternal life would become temporary life. But Christ gave me eternal life. Eternal means eternal.
My salvation is not based on what I do, but rather on what Christ did.
Salvation is all of God, not all of me.
Salvation centers around Christ not around me.
Your brand of salvation is selfish--man-centered.
I believe salvation needs to be Christ-centered. Thus any works that I do are a result of my love for him, not a simple duty as a Christian.

You do not even know what that scripture means. God does not call people a liar when they speak his word.

--The Scriptures say many things. Many of them are hard to accept especially when they speak about one's self. I believe that is the case here. When the Bible calls one a liar, a sinner, etc. it hurts, but nevertheless it still remains true.

You are deceitful; to pretend you are explaining to someone who does not know the Truth. If you really do not know what you are doing, then you are blind. Being blind might be to your advantage, better than deceitful on purpose.

You don't know the Bible as you ought. Instead of debating me, and presenting scripture you have just resorted to calling names. You are defeated before you even start. Calling people names is the lowest form of discussion in human communication. If you can't carry on an intelligent conversation, then call people names. Is that your MO?

 

[Moriah]

When I am talking about the Ten Commandments in the NT I am not speaking of the OT times am I. So you pay attention.

You were commenting on what I wrote.

The Sabbath was a sign for the Jew. It was a command for the Jew and only for the Jew. It was the one command of the Ten Commandments that the Gentile Christian was not obligated to keep. We are obligated to keep the other nine, which are known as God's moral law.

How do you figure Gentiles were to keep a law that was not for them? Show me with scripture from the Holy Bible.

Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
--The commandment is obviously in the NT. It is not simply OT law.

ANSWER THE QUESTION! WAS HONORING YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER NAILED TO THE CROSS?

Perhaps you don't understand salvation.

You easily prove you do not know what you are saying, when you suggest I do not understand salvation.

Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works.

It does NOT mean we can do evil! It does not mean we do not have to do right!

Works has nothing to do with being saved or remaining saved.

Being circumcised has nothing to do with being saved and remaining saved. OBEYING JESUS DOES HAVE TO DO WITH BEING SAVED AND REMAINING SAVED.

I came to Jesus because I was a sinner in need of a Savior. It was Jesus that saved me. I put my faith in him.

If you came to Jesus because you are a sinner in need of a Savior, then you MUST have known your sins were wrong and that you HAVE TO STOP SINNING.

he good that I do is because of Him. He works in me so that I do good. I want to please my Savior. I do good because of Him who died for me. I don't do good in order to maintain my salvation; I do good to please my Savior.

You said you do not do good in order to maintain your salvation. Then what do you think it means to work out your salvation with trembling and fear? You twist the truth so that you can keep your denominations beliefs. If you love the Truth, then stop going against what Jesus says!

Even if I didn't do good, I wouldn't lose the eternal life that Christ gave me.

Even if you did not do what? You think you can do anything and not fall into judgment.

Jesus does not accept good works. One cannot merit salvation. All our works are as filthy rags. There is nothing of our own that we can bring. Salvation is all of God.

God does not accept good works? You are speaking insanity. For you do not think God wants you to do good.

I do good BECAUSE I have come to Him; not in order to come to Him.

YOU JUST SAID GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT GOOD WORKS! SO WHY ARE YOU DOING GOOD THEN? You do not see that you will keep what you were taught by your religion’s leaders and not come to the Truth after being shown.

I believe salvation needs to be Christ-centered. Thus any works that I do are a result of my love for him, not a simple duty as a Christian.

You said God does not accept good works. Why would you do something that God does not accept?

--The Scriptures say many things. Many of them are hard to accept especially when they speak about one's self. I believe that is the case here. When the Bible calls one a liar, a sinner, etc. it hurts, but nevertheless it still remains true.

You are not fooling anyone who knows the Truth. They can see how you talk.