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I am converted but I don't believe your interpretation of John 3:16 where world means all the world including unbelievers. Thus you include me in the followers of the antichrist teaching. That is offensive.dhk
Well for that matter, it included myself at one time, and all of God's Elect at one time.
Everyone follows the antichrist doctrines until they are converted !
And you definition is wrong; you cannot prove it to be the right one. It is all the world, saved and unsaved--not just the elect.I know, I just provided you with a list from a greek concordance:
One Last thing, the very word for world has many different meanings, one of which is this, its the word kosmos:
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3
3) the world, the universe
4) the circle of the earth, the earth
5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
Any aggregate collection of particulars !
What does aggregate mean ? Its a collection of particulars ! what does particular mean ?
of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general:
So All those collected together of God's Particular Election in Christ Jesus before the world began, is a World, this cannot be disputed, and that is the World God so Loved in Jn 3:16, the Elect of God !
I am converted but I don't believe your interpretation of John 3:16 where world means all the world including unbelievers. Thus you include me in the followers of the antichrist teaching. That is offensive.
And you definition is wrong;
The church does not fit the definition of the world.dhk
Thats your opinion. The word World has many definitions wheter you like it or not. Scripture is quite specific as to who God Loved and Gave Christ for here Eph 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Now the Church, all the members of Christ's Body fits the definition of World:
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
It isn't Scriptural. You make the Great Commission, the very last command that Jesus gave, of none effect. Go into ALL the WORLD and preach the gospel (to the elect)??Thats the World God Loved and Gave Christ for. If you disagree, too bad, I am not changing my conviction and it is scriptural, wheter you think so or not !
dhk
Well I am sorry you are offended, but I applied the comment to myself.
Thats your opinion. The word World has many definitions wheter you like it or not. Scripture is quite specific as to who God Loved and Gave Christ for here Eph 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Now the Church, all the members of Christ's Body fits the definition of World:
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
Thats the World God Loved and Gave Christ for. If you disagree, too bad, I am not changing my conviction and it is scriptural, wheter you think so or not !
Some hold the act of faith is that which God accepts to Justification, but this is a mistake, because it makes Christ inferior to faith, and in ascribing such an honor to faith, they dishonor Christ, for although they do not exclude Christ wholly, yet in the act of Justification, it gives all to faith. They say, ‘as the act of Adam’s sin condemned him, so our act of faith justifies us.’ Adam’s sin was enough to condemn him and us, but our faith cannot save others, nor ourselves. They reply, ‘but we are justified by faith.’ Christ is called faith. “Before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” {Gal.3:23} “Before faith came;” which must be understood of Christ. We are justified before God in His sight only by Christ. {Rom.3:24} “My righteous servant (Christ) shall justify many.”{Is.53:11} We are not justified before God by faith which is in us, but by Christ, by his blood; justified by his blood. {Rom.5:9} That which saves us is the blood of Christ; Jesus Christ hath loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood. {Rev.1:5} Also we are said to be justified by faith, because it is the instrument whereby we apprehend and apply Christ our Righteousness; by faith we know ourselves to be justified. {Rom.5:1} Though faith be a grace of God, yet as it is an act, it is a work, and to be justified by it, is to be justified by a work of our own; for with the heart {man} believes. {Rom.10:9-10} That which justifies us, must be perfect, and so it is no act of ours; for all our Righteousness are as filthy rags, &c. {Is.64:6} Not of works, least any man should boast. {Eph.2:9} Samuel Richardson {Saint’s Desire, 1647}
That is what the Bible says.dhk
Thats what you say !
"Believeth" is a requirement of salvation, as much as a requirement of obtaining a gift is to receive it. Neither the believing nor the receiving are works.Moreover, Jn 3:16 tells us who it is God so Loved, its all those who are believing in Christ. The word believeth in Jn 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The word is a present participle meaning those believing. The false teachers impose the word believe here as if the writer is stating a condition of salvation that man must meet, but the believing here is the outcome of God Loving the Believing World and giving His Son for that end !
In fact, also one of the definitions for the word world is this:
an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:
the world, the universe
the circle of the earth, the earth
the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19
Also John is emphasizing the Scope of God's Love, for it had alway been thought that God only Loved jews Deut 7:6-8
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
However, God's Elective Love was not confined there but was towards people of all nations , the Church !
"Believeth" is a requirement of salvation, as much as a requirement of obtaining a gift is to receive it
Thats works salvation !
jesus and paul both said it, were they teaching saved by works?
There are none. Your continual repetition of saying that salvation is by works is what makes your soteriology so blatantly false.Jesus said nothing about being saved by ones Works, neither did any Apostle. Show me a scripture that says one is saved because of their works !
Jesus said nothing about being saved by ones Works, neither did any Apostle. Show me a scripture that says one is saved because of their works !
There are none. Your continual repetition of saying that salvation is by works is what makes your soteriology so blatantly false.
In post #230 you say:Please show us where I stated that Salvation is by Works, now here you go bearing false witness !
You have made this statement so many times I cannot count them all.That's works salvation!
In post #230 you say:
You have made this statement so many times I cannot count them all.
Your statement is in response to this assertion (which is the correct and biblical stand) :
"Believeth" is a requirement of salvation, as much as a requirement of obtaining a gift is to receive it
Now calling red, blue, or the sun, the moon, doesn't make it so.
You can make up all the fiction you want to. But the fact is that "faith" is not a work no matter what you say. Thus every time you respond to such a statement by saying "That's works salvation," you are saying that salvation is by works, for salvation is by faith.
"For by grace are you saved by faith..."
Being justified by faith we have peace with God.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
You see I have proved my point well.In post 230, that was a response to your post, you believe in a works salvation, not me. You believe one is saved by keeping requirements, thats law works salvation all day !
You see I have proved my point well.