What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

[DHK]

I have answered that only about a hundred times on this forum, The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ on the Elect, by New Birth.

Everyone Christ died for, the True Christ, by His Resurrection they are begotten again unto a Lively hope 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That Lively Hope is Faith !

Now, do not ask me no more ! And I know you are going to use your favorite escaoe route and cry, thats out of context !

"Everyone Christ for, the elect" Who are they?
The Bible says that they are the ones that believed.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You can't claim to be one of the elect unless you have believed on Jesus Christ. So how do you know that you are one of the elect? How can you even come to a proper definition of the elect. Maybe the elect just apply to the first century Christians. How would you know?

 

[The Biblicist]

"Everyone Christ for, the elect" Who are they?
The Bible says that they are the ones that believed.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You can't claim to be one of the elect unless you have believed on Jesus Christ. So how do you know that you are one of the elect? How can you even come to a proper definition of the elect. Maybe the elect just apply to the first century Christians. How would you know?

Paul shared his personal experience of salvation every opportunity he was given and looked for opportunities to do so.

You are not a Christian like Paul as neither you nor Moriah will share your personal experience of salvation! Why? Perhaps you have NOTHING to share BECAUSE those in scripture were eager to share their testimonies of salvation. Hence, you cannot be a Biblcial Christian as you are fundementally different in one of the most important characteristics of a Christian. Jesus said those who will not profess him before men he will not profess before His Father.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Everyone Christ for, the elect" Who are they?

Do you understand what I stated in post 200 ? Explain to me what I posted ! Be very detailed as I was in explaining it. You may not agree, thats ok, but I need to know if you comprehend what has been stated !

 

[Yeshua1]

I have answered that only about a hundred times on this forum, The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ on the Elect, by New Birth.

Everyone Christ died for, the True Christ, by His Resurrection they are begotten again unto a Lively hope 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That Lively Hope is Faith !

Now, do not ask me no more ! And I know you are going to use your favorite escaoe route and cry, thats out of context !

How does the Holy Spitrit apply that Grace towards the elect of God though?

Were you born in a saved form? When did God apply thast Grace towards you? before you were even born? the ONLY way that God in the Bible applied Grace is thru/by Faith alone in Jesus, have you done that act as of yet?

 

[DHK]

dhk

Do you understand what I stated in post 200 ? Explain to me what I posted ! Be very detailed as I was in explaining it. You may not agree, thats ok, but I need to know if you comprehend what has been stated !

No, that doesn't answer Yeshua's question, and it doesn't answer mine. It simply skirts the issue.

The elect are those that, by faith, have trusted Christ as Savior.
Are you one of them?
If so, how do you know?
Simply quoting a Scripture out of First Peter does not prove that you are one of the elect.
When and how did you enter into God's family and become one of his children. You were born depraved, a child of the devil. What happened that changed that--that could make you a child of God. How did it happen? When did it happen? Give some specifics here.

This is what we want to know.
You have never been able to answer these questions.

 

[The Biblicist]

I have answered that only about a hundred times on this forum, The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ on the Elect, by New Birth.

Everyone Christ died for, the True Christ, by His Resurrection they are begotten again unto a Lively hope 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That Lively Hope is Faith !

Now, do not ask me no more ! And I know you are going to use your favorite escaoe route and cry, thats out of context !

No one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope. There is a point in time when "ye were dead in tresspasses and sins" and when your were "quicked."

There is a point in time when you had no lively hope and when you FIRST professed to have such a lively hope.

Neither you or Moriah can point to such a time. Neither can point to a time you PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE. So why should we believe you are a Christian and have any right or ability to speak of spiritual things????


If there is no point in time you professed to be a saved person where you went from unbelief to faith in Christ as your Savior - you are still an unregenerated lost but RELIGIOUS man.

Anyone with a "lively hope" knows they were not born into this world with it. People are not regenerated without knowing they have been changed. Those God regenerates profess to be God's child, professes a lively hope and where there is no profession there is no reason to believe they have been regenerated.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

No, that doesn't answer Yeshua's question

As far as I am concerned it does. Now getting back to you, you are evading my question !

Do you understand what I stated in post 200 ? Explain to me what I posted ! Be very detailed as I was in explaining it. You may not agree, thats ok, but I need to know if you comprehend what has been stated !

 

[savedbymercy]

the bib

No one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope

Here you come with deception and dishonesty and false accsations. Show us where I made a comment that one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope ?

 

[The Biblicist]

the bib



Here you come with deception and dishonesty and false accsations. Show us where I made a comment that one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope ?

That was not an accusation. That was an assertion of fact! My point was YOU did not come into this world pre-born again. Hence, IF you are a true child of God there was a time after physical birth you were born again.

Another assertion - no one is born again without knowing it. At new birth one is changed from what Paul describes as their past experience in Ephesians 2:2-3. From that point forward they are a NEW person.

No one has a "lively hope" who does not know what that hope is and/or has not professed it.

YOU and Moriah never point to any time where you were changed by new birth and made such a profession of a lively hope! You refuse to give any testimony of experiential salvation. Paul repeated gave his testimony of EXPERIENTIAL salvation (Acts 22; 26; Philip. 3:1-8; etc.).

No one is saved who NEVER calls upon the Lord. There is simply no such thing as a regenerated unrepentant unbeliever.

 

[savedbymercy]

the bib

That was not an accusation

Show the quote you false accuser !

One of the symptoms of the false religious world is this :

2 Tim 3:1-3

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God so Loved the World ! -



Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Many of the followers of antichrist have twisted this scripture to their own destruction and force it to mean something to them that it does not mean at all, and that is that it says here that God Loved every human being of mankind without exception, which is so absurd. One scripture in the bible totally proves that interpretation false, for we must always understand scripture in light of scripture, and that is this scripture here Rom 9::10-13

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

This scripture reminds us that God views Two manner of people in this world, based upon His Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus. This was revealed to Rebecca early on in the her history and as it pertained to her Two Sons Gen 25:22-23

22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.

23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

This actually happened to Eve, though not recorded as Twins, Two manner of People were separated from her bowels in cain and Abel, and similar to, one son was Loved and accepted of God, and one hated and rejected, and so it is in this world up to even now, some according to God's Purpose of Election are either of that manner of People that are Loved, like the Jacobs and Abel's, or they are of the manner that are hated as the cains and the esau's. God in the recordings here of the history of Rachel and her children is showing and typifying the Election of God as a separated People from the reprobates, the seed of the serpent or the children of perdition. Folks Jacob was Loved of God, but his brother was hated of God. God reminds later also of this separation amongst the manner of peoples in the world here Mal 1:2

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

A clear discriminating difference made by God again ! God said Yet I Loved only [implied] Jacob !

And folks that is how it is in John 3:16, its only the Jacobs of the World that are Loved by God, those Loved in His Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original it is:

apo thv agaphv tou qeou thv en Xristw Ihsou tw kuriw hmwn.

The definite article the Love of the God, meaning that this is God's exclusive Love and it is exclusively in Christ Jesus, folks, God knows no other or has any other type Love save that which is grounded in His Election of some in Christ Jesus before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

That Purpose of His is mentioned again in Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Yes, thats Right, God's own Purpose of Election in Christ Jesus before the World began !

And Jacob was Loved according to that Purpose of Election, for you cannot separate God's Love from His Discriminate Choice, also seen in the Early Typical Dealings with Israel, and it reads Deut 7:6-7

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The Loved of God are The Chosen of God, a Special People unto Himself !

Sorry folks, but that is a discriminate Love God reveals here, not shared with other people of the World !

So, premised upon scriptural evidence, the World Loved in Jn 3:16, is His Chosen World in Christ Jesus Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And that is the Love of God in Christ Jesus, the One they are Chosen in ! Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you do not believe in the Discriminate Elective Love of God in Christ Jesus, based upon His own Purpose of Election, we do not believe in the God of which it is written God is Love ! And the World that He so Loved is His Own Chosen People, a Special People above all others.

One Last thing, the very word for world has many different meanings, one of which is this, its the word kosmos:

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

Any aggregate collection of particulars !

What does aggregate mean ? Its a collection of particulars ! what does particular mean ?

of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general:

So All those collected together of God's Particular Election in Christ Jesus before the world began, is a World, this cannot be disputed, and that is the World God so Loved in Jn 3:16, the Elect of God !

 

[The Biblicist]

dhk




For God so Loved the World ! -



Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Many of the followers of antichrist have twisted this scripture to their own destruction and force it to mean something to them that it does not mean at all, and that is that it says here that God Loved every human being of mankind without exception, which is so absurd. !

Are you saying that all who believe God loves all mankind are "followers of antichrist"?

Tell me, whenever you thought you might be a Christian did you ever embrace wrong teachings and had to be instructed? Were you a "follower of antichrist" prior to that instruction???

How many doctrines now are you in need of instruction? Could you be a "follower of antichrist" now and just don't know you are wrong in some doctrinal areas???

You are one arrogant individual who can make this kind of charge as though you were God sitting on the throne of judgement over fellow human being.

 

[The Biblicist]

the bib



Show the quote you false accuser !

One of the symptoms of the false religious world is this :

2 Tim 3:1-3

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Can't you read English? I just told you that I was not accusing you of teaching that! I made an assertion of what I believed not what you believed!

 

[DHK]

dhk

As far as I am concerned it does. Now getting back to you, you are evading my question !

Do you understand what I stated in post 200 ? Explain to me what I posted ! Be very detailed as I was in explaining it. You may not agree, thats ok, but I need to know if you comprehend what has been stated !

Here is how it goes.

Yeshua asks a question (the same that I have asked many times).

You make a post, but avoid answering his question.

Then you demand of me if I understand what you posted in your post, though you have not answered Yeshua's post.

Answer Yeshua's post with clarity. This is a debate forum.
When and where did you trust Jesus Christ as your Savior? Can you give any testimony of salvation at all?

 

[The Biblicist]

the bib

No one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope - TB

Here you come with deception and dishonesty and false accsations. Show us where I made a comment that one comes into this world regenerated with a lively hope ?

My words are in red bold above. That was an assertion of what I believe. I was not attributing that statement to anything you have ever said. However, that is how you wrongly interpreted those words. Hence, I never accused you of ANYTHING by those words. I was asserting what I believe when I said those words. I asserted them to prove the point that for you to be a true child of God somewhere between physical birth and now you had to have had a NEW BIRTH EXPERIENCE because humans do not come into this world born again already. That was the context in which I first asserted those words and that is the same context I am now asserting those words.

 

[DHK]

dhk

For God so Loved the World ! -

Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Many of the followers of antichrist have twisted this scripture to their own destruction and force it to mean something to them that it does not mean at all, and that is that it says here that God Loved every human being of mankind without exception, which is so absurd.

So your inference here is that I am a follower of the antichrist. I find that both offensive and absurd.

One scripture in the bible totally proves that interpretation false, for we must always understand scripture in light of scripture, and that is this scripture here Rom 9::10-13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

This scripture reminds us that God views Two manner of people in this world, based upon His Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus. This was revealed to Rebecca early on in the her history and as it pertained to her Two Sons Gen 25:22-23

23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

The trouble with your explanation here is that it has nothing to do with what Jesus said in John 3:16,18,36. In fact all of which Jesus said in those verses follows a discussion that Jesus had with Nicodemus on the new birth. Jesus was not talking about how God dealt with the nation of Israel as Paul was in Romans 9. The two are not even related. It is you "that is twisting Scripture to your own destruction."

This actually happened to Eve, though not recorded as Twins, Two manner of People were separated from her bowels in cain and Abel, and similar to, one son was Loved and accepted of God, and one hated and rejected, and so it is in this world up to even now, some according to God's Purpose of Election are either of that manner of People that are Loved, like the Jacobs and Abel's, or they are of the manner that are hated as the cains and the esau's.

Augustine popularized the allegorization of Scripture--one of the fathers of the RCC. The actual founder of the method of allegorization of Scripture who was a heretic even by the RCC standards. I don't take much stalk in your allegorical style of interpretation. It doesn't hold much water.

God in the recordings here of the history of Rachel and her children is showing and typifying the Election of God as a separated People from the reprobates, the seed of the serpent or the children of perdition. Folks Jacob was Loved of God, but his brother was hated of God. God reminds later also of this separation amongst the manner of peoples in the world here Mal 1:2

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

A clear discriminating difference made by God again ! God said Yet I Loved only [implied] Jacob !

You misuse words; don't understand Biblical language. God doesn't hate anyone. It is a matter of degree. He loved Jacob more than he loved Esau. The word "hate" is "to love less." You call people reprobrate that the Bible doesn't. You have a "reprobate" religion. You are unable, even, to testify of your own faith.

And folks that is how it is in John 3:16, its only the Jacobs of the World that are Loved by God, those Loved in His Redemptive Purpose in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

Baloney! You have not demonstrated the truth of John 3:16 whatsoever.
Let's look at it.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
--Those two bolded phrases are very important.
"The world" means "the world." It means "all the world."
"Whosoever believes in him," also means exactly what it says, and if you don't believe in Christ you will perish, just like the verse says.

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In the original it is:

apo thv agaphv tou qeou thv en Xristw Ihsou tw kuriw hmwn.

The definite article the Love of the God, meaning that this is God's exclusive Love and it is exclusively in Christ Jesus, folks, God knows no other or has any other type Love save that which is grounded in His Election of some in Christ Jesus before the World began 2 Tim 1:9

In order to get to the above position you must first come to Christ by faith; by putting your faith and trust in Christ. Otherwise these Scriptures have no relevance to you. You need to be saved first.

That Purpose of His is mentioned again in Rom 9:11

Yes, thats Right, God's own Purpose of Election in Christ Jesus before the World began !

Maybe. But how do you know what it is?
Can you demonstrate that you are one of the elect?
You haven't been able to do that so far.
Theology has a practical aspect to it.

And Jacob was Loved according to that Purpose of Election, for you cannot separate God's Love from His Discriminate Choice, also seen in the Early Typical Dealings with Israel, and it reads Deut 7:6-7

Does God discriminate?
Did he discriminate against you?
How would you know if he did or did not?

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

The Loved of God are The Chosen of God, a Special People unto Himself !

Sorry folks, but that is a discriminate Love God reveals here, not shared with other people of the World !

That is false. All the surrounding nations of the world had the chance to be saved through the obedience of Israel to Jehovah.
Rahab heard of Jehovah and his might and power in Egypt, and therefore believed.
Ruth believed because of the witness of Ruth.
Nineveh believed at the preaching of Jonah.
Israel was to be a light to the Gentiles, even as we are today.

So, premised upon scriptural evidence, the World Loved in Jn 3:16, is His Chosen World in Christ Jesus Eph 1:4

One false premise leads to another, and ultimately to a false conclusion if not more than one. It also leads to a false religion.

! Rom 8:39

If you do not believe in the Discriminate Elective Love of God in Christ Jesus, based upon His own Purpose of Election, we do not believe in the God of which it is written God is Love ! And the World that He so Loved is His Own Chosen People, a Special People above all others.

God loves all. He does not reject any who come to him. If you have perverted the Scripture to teach otherwise then it is you who have the problem with Scripture and with God.God is not a God of hate. That is what you are teaching. Yet you yourself cannot testify of God's goodness and love to your own self.

One Last thing, the very word for world has many different meanings, one of which is this, its the word kosmos:

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

Any aggregate collection of particulars !

What does aggregate mean ? Its a collection of particulars ! what does particular mean ?

of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general:

So All those collected together of God's Particular Election in Christ Jesus before the world began, is a World, this cannot be disputed, and that is the World God so Loved in Jn 3:16, the Elect of God !

So do all the inhabitants of the earth during the first century. Can you prove that the world is not just confined to first century inhabitants? Why should we accept your definitions.

When common sense makes good sense, why are you posting nonsense?

 

[Revmitchell]

So your inference here is that I am a follower of the antichrist. I find that both offensive and absurd.

Interesting, why are posts like that allowed to stand?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

So your inference here is that I am a follower of the antichrist. I find that both offensive and absurd.

I make no personal comments about anyone !

The trouble with your explanation here is that it has nothing to do with what Jesus said in John 3:16,18,36.

I disagree, God's Love is mentioned in Both Rom 9:13 and Jn 3:16, its the same Love !

So do all the inhabitants of the earth during the first century. Can you prove that the world is not just confined to first century inhabitants? Why should we accept your definitions.

I gave you the definition of the Word World. One of which is:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

 

[DHK]

dhk

I make no personal comments about anyone !

Your inference was that those who follow the well-known and accepted interpretation of John 3:16, the one that is accepted by most evangelicals today, which would include myself, are followers of the anti-christ. That is personal enough.

I disagree, God's Love is mentioned in Both Rom 9:13 and Jn 3:16, its the same Love !

God's love is mentioned in many places. Shakespeare mentions God's love too. Just because God's love is mentioned in two random passages doesn't mean they are connected.

I gave you the definition of the Word World. One of which is:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

Again, there are many definitions to the word, "world." Why should I accept yours as the correct one? Give solid evidence why yours is the correct one. The Bible also says "where two or three are gathered together there am I in the midst of them." Perhaps that is my little world. But is that the "world" Christ is speaking of in John 3:16. No, it isn't. And you would be a fool to define it that way.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Your inference was that those who follow the well-known and accepted interpretation of John 3:16, the one that is accepted by most evangelicals today, which would include myself, are followers of the anti-christ. That is personal enough.

Well for that matter, it included myself at one time, and all of God's Elect at one time.

Everyone follows the antichrist doctrines until they are converted !

God's love is mentioned in many places

Thats right !

Again, there are many definitions to the word, "world

I know, I just provided you with a list from a greek concordance:

One Last thing, the very word for world has many different meanings, one of which is this, its the word kosmos:

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

Any aggregate collection of particulars !

What does aggregate mean ? Its a collection of particulars ! what does particular mean ?

of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general:

So All those collected together of God's Particular Election in Christ Jesus before the world began, is a World, this cannot be disputed, and that is the World God so Loved in Jn 3:16, the Elect of God !