What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

[savedbymercy]

they were children of Abraham according to the Spirit then his "good works" would be the consequence.

Correct, which Believing or Faith is one of them. Jesus is equating the Faith of Abraham as the Works of Abraham. So again if His Faith or Believing is the basis for His Justification before God, that is Justification by His Works, and He does have reason to boast, which is contrary to the very declaration given here Rom 4:1-2

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Jesus equates His Believing as His Works Jn 8:39

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Now what work most is Abraham known for ? Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

[The Biblicist]

Correct, which Believing or Faith is one of them. Jesus is equating the Faith of Abraham as the Works of Abraham. So again if His Faith or Believing is the basis for His Justification before God, that is Justification by His Works, and He does have reason to boast, which is contrary to the very declaration given here Rom 4:1-2

What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Jesus equates His Believing as His Works Jn 8:39

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Now what work most is Abraham known for ? Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Every statement above has been thoroughly debunked and yet all you can do is reassert it???? Whatever happened to debate??

When you merely reassert and ignore the arguments that have rebutted your assertion you are in effect simply admitting you are wrong and too ignorant to respond intelligently with substance.

 

[savedbymercy]

Every statement above has been thoroughly debunked and yet all you can do is reassert it???? Whatever happened to debate??

When you merely reassert and ignore the arguments that have rebutted your assertion you are in effect simply admitting you are wrong and too ignorant to respond intelligently with substance.

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

 

[The Biblicist]

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

The only conclusion that I come to, when you repeat such absolute nonsense, nonsense that I have repudiated in great detail, and I might add, repudiation you have NEVER responded to, is that you have either no common sense, or so dominated by spirts of false doctrine that you lack spiritual ability to comprehend truth (1 Tim. 4:1).

 

[savedbymercy]

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that I have repudiated in great detail, and I might add, repudiation you have NEVER responded to,

Here is my response to your babbling:

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

 

[The Biblicist]

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Here is my response to your babbling:

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

Here is my response to a person that repeatedly LIES and PERVERTS another persons position and the scriptures:

Tit. 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

 

[savedbymercy]

Here is my response to a person that repeatedly LIES and PERVERTS another persons position and the scriptures:

Tit. 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

 

[The Biblicist]

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

This very statement proves you are a very dishonest and deceptive individual because you know fully well that what you are saying has been completely repudiated by me and is therefore totally false!

You are acting like a two year old who could not prove his point, was completely exposed and condemned and so he resorts to throwing a temper tantrem and just screaming "I'm right and you are wrong and I hope you understand that now"!

Grow up and just admit that I don't "understand" that or accept that but repudiate that and you have not nor cannot respond to the evidence I have provided. That is the truth! You have not and cannot respond to the evidence I have provided and so you throw this little temper tantram.

 

[DHK]

Do you understand that Jesus indicates that believing or Faith is a Work ? What does Jesus mean Jn 8:39

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Do you not understand that you are taking Scripture out of context?
Do you not understand that "faith" is never a work?
Do you not understand that even in our secular world "faith" is not a work?

Faith is not defined as a work except by you. I have demonstrated this for you before, but you refuse to accept logic.

If you are a personnel officer in charging of hiring people.
I come to you and say "I have faith." Will you hire me for my faith?
What would you think? What is "my faith" going to do for you and for your company? Nothing, because it is not an asset, not something one can "do," not a work. It is an intangible, something that cannot be measured.

How can a person offer their faith? Will you pay me wages for my faith? What kind of work can I do "with my faith"? Nothing! Your whole idea of "faith" being work falls apart. There is no such thing as "faith" being a work. Not in the secular world, not in the spiritual world. Faith is not, and never was a work.

The works of Abraham were not "faith", for faith is not a work.

 

[Yeshua1]

I hope you understand now that you teach salvation or Justification before God based upon a mans works. That is a False Gospel !

A Sinner MUST have the Grace of the Cross applied towards him, in order to have His nature chnaged from a sinner to a saint...

How and when did this happen to you?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

Do you not understand that you are taking Scripture out of context?

You always say that to avoid the Truth !

 

[savedbymercy]

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This very statement proves you are a very dishonest and deceptive individual because you know fully well that what you are saying has been completely repudiated by me and is therefore totally false!

All you have done is just confirm that you believe in salvation by works, which the Bible condemns. Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[DHK]

dhk

You always say that to avoid the Truth !

I am not the one avoiding the truth. Actually you avoid answering any substance that I give in my posts. You can't answer it because you know that I can demonstrate to you that in no wise can faith be considered a work: not in the secular world and not in the spiritual world, and definitely not according to Scripture.

You are in your own world. No one believes you. You haven't convinced a single person.

 

[saturneptune]

I am not the one avoiding the truth. Actually you avoid answering any substance that I give in my posts. You can't answer it because you know that I can demonstrate to you that in no wise can faith be considered a work: not in the secular world and not in the spiritual world, and definitely not according to Scripture.

You are in your own world. No one believes you. You haven't convinced a single person.

The book of James does an excellent job explaining the relationship between faith and works. Works follows or is a byproduct of faith. Faith is a gift of God.

 

[DHK]

The book of James does an excellent job explaining the relationship between faith and works. Works follows or is a byproduct of faith. Faith is a gift of God.

Whether faith be a gift from God or not is a completely different subject and perhaps one for another thread. SBM believes that faith is a work. If so then we are saved by works (if we are saved by faith). That is the point under discussion here.

 

[saturneptune]

Whether faith be a gift from God or not is a completely different subject and perhaps one for another thread. SBM believes that faith is a work. If so then we are saved by works (if we are saved by faith). That is the point under discussion here.

Anyway, on this point, I agree with you.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

I am not the one avoiding the truth.

You do it all the time. When you are shown truth that contradicts your man made traditions, you take the easy route and cry , you take that out of context, when in fact the word of God is the context.

 

[DHK]

dhk
You do it all the time. When you are shown truth that contradicts your man made traditions, you take the easy route and cry , you take that out of context, when in fact the word of God is the context.

I have explained to you many times what faith is. You have never answered my explanations, or even tried.
I will give you an example of how you ignore things that you cannot answer.
Quite a few posts ago Yeshua asked you this:

"A Sinner MUST have the Grace of the Cross applied towards him, in order to have His nature chnaged from a sinner to a saint...

How and when did this happen to you? "

You never replied to him. You have completely avoided his post. Why? Probably because you cannot answer it.

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

I have explained to you many times what faith is

I have explained to you many times what faith is !

 

[savedbymercy]

A Sinner MUST have the Grace of the Cross applied towards him, in order to have His nature chnaged from a sinner to a saint...

How and when did this happen to you? "

I have answered that only about a hundred times on this forum, The Holy Spirit applies the merits of Christ on the Elect, by New Birth.

Everyone Christ died for, the True Christ, by His Resurrection they are begotten again unto a Lively hope 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

That Lively Hope is Faith !

Now, do not ask me no more ! And I know you are going to use your favorite escaoe route and cry, thats out of context !