What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

[The Biblicist]

We DRAW .

Can't even quote the text right can you? John 6:44 says it is "the Father" that does the drawing not "we"! You pervert every scripture your rash and ungodly hands touch. You hypocrit - you tell other don't change God's Word and you replace the term "Father" and put "we" in the text and says "WE" are the ones doing the drawing.

 

[Moriah]

Can't even quote the text right can you? John 6:44 says it is "the Father" that does the drawing not "we"! You pervert every scripture your rash and ungodly hands touch. You hypocrit - you tell other don't change God's Word and you replace the term "Father" and put "we" in the text and says "WE" are the ones doing the drawing.

Who was quoting John 6:44?

You should have read my post better.

You speak ugliness that is in you.

You are a violent and brute man.

(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7:19

 

[The Biblicist]

Who was quoting John 6:44?

Oh please stop you lying! You quoted my words that IN CONTEXT were dealing with that very text.

If I were dealing with Hebrews or some other text about drawing nigh to God you wouldn't have even responded.

 

[Moriah]

Oh please stop you lying! You quoted my words that IN CONTEXT were dealing with that very text.

If I were dealing with Hebrews or some other text about drawing nigh to God you wouldn't have even responded.

You spoke unbiblical nonsense on how God draws us. I then explained how we draw near to God.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.

 

[The Biblicist]

I then explained how we draw near to God.
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Any man that denies the God of the Bible, teaches Christ was a created being, rejects the resurrection of Jesus Christ, denies the grace of God in salvation has nothing to share worth listening to.

You are a spiritually blind man that couldn't see the truth if it looked you straight in the face.

 

[Moriah]

Any man that denies the God of the Bible, teaches Christ was a created being, rejects the resurrection of Jesus Christ, denies the grace of God in salvation has nothing to share worth listening to.

You are a spiritually blind man that couldn't see the truth if it looked you straight in the face.

Then you deny that Jesus was created in Mary's womb?

lol

 

[DHK]

Then you deny that Jesus was created in Mary's womb?

lol

Of course. Jesus was not created. He was from eternity to eternity, without beginning without end. To say otherwise is to believe in another Christ, another religion. Are you J.W.? You are putting forth some of their doctrines:
a denial of the resurrection,
a denial of the trinity,
a belief in a created Jesus.

These are the beliefs of the J.W.'s

 

[Moriah]

Of course. Jesus was not created. He was from eternity to eternity, without beginning without end. To say otherwise is to believe in another Christ, another religion. Are you J.W.? You are putting forth some of their doctrines:
a denial of the resurrection,
a denial of the trinity,
a belief in a created Jesus.

These are the beliefs of the J.W.'s

If Jesus was not a human baby in Mary's womb, then you are as the anti Christ denying that Jesus came in the flesh as a MAN.

 

[DHK]

If Jesus was not a human baby in Mary's womb, then you are as the anti Christ denying that Jesus came in the flesh as a MAN.

No need to call me "anti-christ." That won't help you any.
I never said Jesus didn't have a human body; I believe he did.
What I deny is that he was created. He was not created.

 

[Moriah]

No need to call me "anti-christ." That won't help you any.
I never said Jesus didn't have a human body; I believe he did.
What I deny is that he was created. He was not created.

You said Jesus was not created in Mary's womb, so then how did he grow to a fetus to a fully developed baby?

 

[DHK]

You said Jesus was not created in Mary's womb, so then how did he grow to a fetus to a fully developed baby?

That is not creation; has nothing to do with creation.
Neither does your birth, mine, or any other human beings. The only people who were created were Adam and Eve. After they were created all creation stopped, and nothing has been created since. Creation ceased. God rested the seventh or the Sabbath day. Creation has ceased.

Christ came into the world like any other person, except that he was born of a virgin, not created but born. She was "conceived" by the Holy Spirit which makes this a very miraculous birth. Her egg was fertilized by God the Holy Spirit. Here is another thing in the Bible that we don't understand but accept by faith. God is all powerful and can do those things we don't understand. She was conceived of the Holy Spirit. She was nine months pregnant with the child Jesus, and then gave birth. Christ was not created; He always was.

 

[Moriah]

That is not creation; has nothing to do with creation.

A baby from the time of conception goes through a time of creation.

Oh yeah, you are the one who can deny how every language of repent means to be sorry for something, so I guess you think no one will notice you change the fact that we are created in the womb.

The only people who were created were Adam and Eve. After they were created all creation stopped, and nothing has been created since. Creation ceased. God rested the seventh or the Sabbath day. Creation has ceased.

God prepared a body for Jesus. When a fetus grows, it is a creation when it becomes a fully developed baby.

This Psalm thinks we are created and not just Adam and Eve.

He will respond to the prayer of the destitute;
he will not despise their plea.
18 Let this be written for a future generation,
that a people not yet created may praise the LORD:
19 “The LORD looked down from his sanctuary on high,
from heaven he viewed the earth,

This Psalm thinks we are created and not just Adam and Eve.

When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth.
31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever;
may the LORD rejoice in his works—

This Psalm thinks they are created by God, and not just Adam and Eve. LOL

Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

Christ came into the world like any other person, except that he was born of a virgin, not created but born. She was "conceived" by the Holy Spirit which makes this a very miraculous birth. Her egg was fertilized by God the Holy Spirit. Here is another thing in the Bible that we don't understand but accept by faith. God is all powerful and can do those things we don't understand. She was conceived of the Holy Spirit. She was nine months pregnant with the child Jesus, and then gave birth. Christ was not created; He always was.

Go back and reread the scriptures I gave.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

DHK is correct... Jesus was not a created being. He was from everlasting to everlasting.

The body in Mary's womb was not created, it was prepared.

Hebrews 10:5 (KJV) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

God did end His creation with the creation of Adam and Eve. Nothing else has been created since then. Scripture bears this out.

Genesis 2:2 (KJV) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 (KJV) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11 (KJV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God did not create His Son, He sent His Son

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[Moriah]

DHK is correct... Jesus was not a created being. He was from everlasting to everlasting.

The body in Mary's womb was not created, it was prepared.

God preparing a body for Jesus is to create a body for Jesus.

God did end His creation with the creation of Adam and Eve. Nothing else has been created since then. Scripture bears this out.

Watch and see Steadfast Fred is going to be exposed for going against the Word of God.
Steadfast Fred say, God DID end His creation with the creation of Adam and Eve. Nothing has been created since then.”
Now read what the written Word of God says.
God in the womb creates all humans---

He will respond to the prayer of the destitute;
he will not despise their plea.
18 Let this be written for a future generation,
that a people not yet created may praise the LORD:
19 “The LORD looked down from his sanctuary on high,
from heaven he viewed the earth,

Another scripture---

When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth.
31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever;
may the LORD rejoice in his works—

Another scripture---

Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Steadfast Fred has been exposed by the written Word of God that he is going against Jesus and teaching falseness.

Genesis 2:2 (KJV) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

God rested on the seventh day it was a rest! It does NOT mean God stopped working!
Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

 

[The Biblicist]

God preparing a body for Jesus is to create a body for Jesus.

Today we commonly refer to birth as "procreation" and so it would be no strange thing for previous cultures to refer to it that way. -However, Genesis 1:26-27 makes it clear that birth is a REPRODUCTION AFTER ITS OWN KIND.

The only creative work God is doing presently is the NEW creation - new birth.
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[Moriah]

Today we commonly refer to birth as "procreation" and so it would be no strange thing for previous cultures to refer to it that way. -However, Genesis 1:26-27 makes it clear that birth is a REPRODUCTION AFTER ITS OWN KIND.

The only creative work God is doing presently is the NEW creation - new birth.

Who cares about man's wisdom? Obviously, you do. What does the Word say? I gave you scriptures saying God creates all people in the womb. Why do you go against the Word of God?

 

[The Biblicist]

Who cares about man's wisdom? Obviously, you do. What does the Word say? I gave you scriptures saying God creates all people in the womb. Why do you go against the Word of God?

God's creative work of man as his creative work in all living things is perpetuated through natural processes of reproduction after its own kind.

 

[Moriah]

God's creative work of man as his creative work in all living things is perpetuated through natural processes of reproduction after its own kind.

You speak AGAINST God. Read what God says and stop going against Him!

Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

 

[billwald]

Why do some of you use OT passages to confirm NT theology when it suits your position and deny them when it doesn't?

 

[The Biblicist]

You speak AGAINST God. Read what God says and stop going against Him!

Psalm 139:13
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

You are pitting scripture against scripture! Genesis says man was created and his continuance is by reproduction after his own kind just as it does all living things.

The Psalmist speaks of the reproduction after his own kind as creation of God because the reproductive cycle is determined by God. He determines in the reproductive cycle who is born and who is not born as He is the one that gives life at birth. So in that modified sense God creates every child born as the reproductive cycle is ultimately dependent upon God granting life in the womb.

However, this would be equally true for all animal births as well as plant life.

You need to sit under someone who can think rationally. You are incapable of rational thinking and shouldn't be on any forum until someone can help you.