What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

[DHK]

mandy



Nah, that is what it says, and it is the inspired word of God also ! Works in the bible is defined as:

Its the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

This is your mantra. You choose to repeat it over and over again without any application to yourself. That can only lead one to the conclusion that you are not saved since salvation is not of works. Have you believed on the Lord Jesus Christ? If so when? We are all waiting.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

Are you saved? If so, when and how?

 

[savedbymercy]

dhk

This is your mantra

Sorry, but it is the word of God ! Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Also Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

You teach the opposite, that it is by ones work of righteousness they do when they believe !

 

[targus]

Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

 

[targus]

Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

Wondering why Savedby mercy hasn't answered this simple question...

 

[mandym]

mandy



Nah, that is what it says, and it is the inspired word of God also ! Works in the bible is defined as:

Its the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised[sic] in opp. to that which is less than work

Without context that does not say anything.

 

[savedbymercy]

Without context that does not say anything.

Works in the bible is defined as:

Its the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised[sic] in opp. to that which is less than work

 

[targus]

Works in the bible is defined as:

Its the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised[sic] in opp. to that which is less than work

Savedbymercy, is it just me?

Did I say something to offend you?

Why do you ignore my question?

How do you know that you are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

 

[Fred's Wife]

Savedbymercy, is it just me?

Did I say something to offend you?

Why do you ignore my question?

How do you know that you are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

I don't think it's just you, targus. I believe many have asked SBM the same question. He either doesn't have an answer, doesn't understand the question, doesn't know the answer or simply refuses to answer. Take your pick!

 

[targus]

I don't think it's just you, targus. I believe many have asked SBM the same question. He either doesn't have an answer, doesn't understand the question, doesn't know the answer or simply refuses to answer. Take your pick!

I suspect that he doesn't have an answer that will be consistent with the other things that he says.

 

[Yeshua1]

I suspect that he doesn't have an answer that will be consistent with the other things that he says.

He is like talking to a Mormon/JW at your door, as they just keep "parroting" the few scriptures they use to justify their bad doctrines!

 

[savedbymercy]

If repentance and faith are conditions for man to perform in order to secure to one spiritual life, then man was not spiritually dead in sin and without the life of God as scripture declares he is by nature. Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

The word alienated is a strong word and means:

1) to alienate, estrange

2) to be shut out from one's fellowship and intimacy

belonging to another

2) foreign, strange, not of one's own family, alien, an enemy

And so man in this state could perform vital acts such as faith and repentance.

For all such acts must proceed from life. Also Jesus must have been mistaken when He said Jn 6:53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

The point and truth is this, those vital living actions proceed from Life, a Living Faith which is opposed to a dead faith James 2:17, a Living hope and Godly repentance do proceed from from Life given in the New Birth which is a blessing of the Covenant ! 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Contrary to the Antichrist followers teaching, before man can perform anything pleasing to God, such as Faith Heb 11:6, he must have first received spiritual and resurrected life from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

 

[targus]

Savedbymercy, how does someone know if he is one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

 

[Yeshua1]

If repentance and faith are conditions for man to perform in order to secure to one spiritual life, then man was not spiritually dead in sin and without the life of God as scripture declares he is by nature. Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

Eph 4:18

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

The word alienated is a strong word and means:

1) to alienate, estrange

2) to be shut out from one's fellowship and intimacy

belonging to another

2) foreign, strange, not of one's own family, alien, an enemy

And so man in this state could perform vital acts such as faith and repentance.

For all such acts must proceed from life. Also Jesus must have been mistaken when He said Jn 6:53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

The point and truth is this, those vital living actions proceed from Life, a Living Faith which is opposed to a dead faith James 2:17, a Living hope and Godly repentance do proceed from from Life given in the New Birth which is a blessing of the Covenant ! 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Contrary to the Antichrist followers teaching, before man can perform anything pleasing to God, such as Faith Heb 11:6, he must have first received spiritual and resurrected life from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

So you are saved by God, and once saved, then place faith in jesus to get reborn again a second time?

 

[Yeshua1]

Savedbymercy, how does someone know if he is one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?

He sees us as being saved by God before even being born!

 

[savedbymercy]

What is Savation by works or by keeping of Law ?



It is very very rare that one is found to truly believe in Salvation by Grace apart from works or commandment keeping which is Law. Let me make it plain and simple for you, Salvation is by works or by law keeping whenever in our thinking, that the affairs of Salvation are governed by that work or law principle, ingrained in each of us by nature " This do and thou shalt live", Yes it is the do and live principle Lk 10:27,28

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Deut 4:1

Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Yes even if it is obeying the Law or Command to Repent Acts 17:30 or to believe Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Or water baptism Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now if that is one's thinking, that by obeying any command of this nature, is the basis , the prerequisite for one to get saved, then you are saved by works of the law or works of law, this thinking proves that one is still married to the Law, it does not matter their profession to be of Christ, this type thinking betrays that confession, and such a one is a debtor to do the whole law to Live ! Christ profits you nothing !

 

[savedbymercy]

Believing the Gospel is an act of obedience, this is seen from Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. The word obeyed means:

to listen, to harken of one who on the knock at the door comes to listen who it is, (the duty of a porter)
to harken to a command
to obey, be obedient to, submit to

Its obedience from the Heart [ New Heart] that form of Doctrine or Teaching that was delivered, the same word used in 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So now if one gets saved by their act of obedience, then they are claiming to get saved by their works, by their obedience, by obeying a commandment, also they deny what Paul under inspiration has written in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Therefore Paul's Theology needs to be corrected to read :

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of Two or of many shall many be made righteous.

In other words we shall be made Righteous by Christ's Obedience and our own obedience ! That is what false religion believes these days !

 

[Yeshua1]

Believing the Gospel is an act of obedience, this is seen from Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. The word obeyed means:

to listen, to harken of one who on the knock at the door comes to listen who it is, (the duty of a porter)
to harken to a command
to obey, be obedient to, submit to

Its obedience from the Heart [ New Heart] that form of Doctrine or Teaching that was delivered, the same word used in 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So now if one gets saved by their act of obedience, then they are claiming to get saved by their works, by their obedience, by obeying a commandment, also they deny what Paul under inspiration has written in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Therefore Paul's Theology needs to be corrected to read :

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of Two or of many shall many be made righteous.

In other words we shall be made Righteous by Christ's Obedience and our own obedience ! That is what false religion believes these days !

his death provided the basis/means for God to declare us as being rightous, but ONLY happens to us when we place faith in jesus to receive it!

 

[savedbymercy]

but ONLY happens to us when we place faith in jesus to receive it!

Thats works Salvation ! When We do something !

 

[Yeshua1]

Thats works Salvation ! When We do something !

faith is a requirement that God himself gave to us, are you arguing with Him now?

 

[savedbymercy]

faith is a requirement that God himself gave to us, are you arguing with Him now?

Thats a work ! You teach a work salvation ! See ya at the Judgment. For the record has been clear that Salvation is by Grace through Faith, Not of works !