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What about Rom 10:9-10 ?
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... Salvation by being of the Election of Grace ! ... in order for one to be saved, that they must have been part of the Election of Grace, singled out before the world began, Chosen in Christ before the world began, then you do not believe Eph 2:8-9.
Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?
Works of Righteousness !
Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
A work is a thing done ! The word for works is ergon and means:
business, employment, that which any one is occupied
a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Righteousness here means:
integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting
Things that we do which are right or correct, correctness of thinking.
The word done means:
to act rightly, do well
1) to carry out, to execute
b) to do a thing unto one
1) to do to one
That word is used with works in many places as here:
Matt 7:22
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
John 7:21
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
Believing in Christ is one of many works of Righteousness a man does, so if one says they are Justified before God because of their act of believing
The word believing, pisteuo means :
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
Thinking right or correct is a Righteousness according to the definition above for Righteousness from Tit 3:5
So those of you that insist you get saved or Justified before God based on your believing, you reject the fundamental teaching of Titus 3:5, and espouse a false teaching of Salvation by your works ! You see, being saved is not by works or acts of Righteousness which we have done !
Did God command us to repent and believe in jesus in order to be saved by His tender mercies or not?
Those who use Rom 10:9-10 in order to set forth a Conditonal Salvation, that is getting saved is contingent upon man's obedience or man's believing and confessing, they are guilty of perverting scripture and promoting a accursed gospel of works ! Gal 1:8-9
Anyone rejecting the gospel found in Romans 10:9,10 rejects the one true and living God.
savedbymercy
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Anyone rejecting the gospel found in Romans 10:9,10 rejects the one true and living God.
Rom 10:9-10 is not the Gospel ! It is a manifestation of conversion. There are no if's and conditions in the Gospel, for that is a perversion of the Gospel.
If you or anyone else, including my self, make Rom 10:9-10 out of a condtion man must do in order to get saved, that is a perversion of the Truth ! They are proclaiming salvation by works. is that what you believe ? If so, thats fine, see ya at the Judgment !
This is your mantra that you mindlessly repeat over and over again. It is not what the Bible teaches. It goes directly contrary to the teaching of Romans 4:1-5, as God declares Abraham righteous because he believed in him. It goes contrary to Romans 5:1 which declares that we are justified by faith.dhk
Tell me something I have not already known ! Faith or believing is something man does, a work, a ergon !
It goes contrary to Eph.2:8,9 which says that we are saved by grace through faith, not our of ourselves and not of works. It specifically says that our salvation is the gift of God.
Everything you believe on this subject contradicts the Scripture. You stand alone playing word games with yourself believing a false doctrine and a false theology. You don't even know if you are one of the elect. You can not know for you have no testimony if you have believed.
Rom 10:9-10 is not the Gospel ! It is a manifestation of conversion. There are no if's and conditions in the Gospel, for that is a perversion of the Gospel.
If you or anyone else, including my self, make Rom 10:9-10 out of a condtion man must do in order to get saved, that is a perversion of the Truth ! They are proclaiming salvation by works. is that what you believe ? If so, thats fine, see ya at the Judgment !
jesus said you MUST be born again, you MUST place faith in yeshua, as a condition to get saved by god...
Are you saying yeshua was a liar?
savedbymercy
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dhk
No that is the scripture. Believing is something man does. Thats plain from the very verse you used. The Jailor asked Acts 16:30
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And Paul responded vs 31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The word believe here in the greek is an imperative which means:
Now do you believe and Teach that a man gets saved by performing a action such as believing is ?
This is your mantra
No that is the scripture. Believing is something man does. Thats plain from the very verse you used. The Jailor asked Acts 16:30
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And Paul responded vs 31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The word believe here in the greek is an imperative which means:
Imperative
The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding. Thus, Jesus' phrase, "Repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mk.1:15) is not at all an "invitation," but an absolute command requiring full obedience on the part of all hearers.
Now do you believe and Teach that a man gets saved by performing a action such as believing is ?
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dhk
No that is the scripture. Believing is something man does. Thats plain from the very verse you used. The Jailor asked Acts 16:30
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And Paul responded vs 31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The word believe here in the greek is an imperative which means:
Now do you believe and Teach that a man gets saved by performing a action such as believing is ?
jesus said that we all MSUT do that in order to get saved...
Was he mistaken?
! They are proclaiming salvation by works. is that what you believe ? I!
Prove it works through scripture. What does scripture call works specifically? Since God requires a response from man it cannot be works.
Then stop playing your silly games. If you want to define it as a work, then that is your choice, your choice to be wrong, but your choice nevertheless.dhk
No that is the scripture. Believing is something man does. Thats plain from the very verse you used. The Jailor asked Acts 16:30
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And Paul responded vs 31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
The word believe here in the greek is an imperative which means:
Now do you believe and Teach that a man gets saved by performing a action such as believing is ?
You just explained correctly explained what a person has to DO to be saved. Have you DONE that? DO you have that testimony that you are saved? What did you DO in order to be saved?
savedbymercy
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dhk
No games being played here ! Just the witness of the Truth !
Then stop playing your silly games
No games being played here ! Just the witness of the Truth !
No games being played here ! Just the witness of the Truth !
Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.dhk
No games being played here ! Just the witness of the Truth !
When did you believe? Or, have you?
savedbymercy
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Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
When did you believe? Or, have you?
Believing is a work, it is something a man does ! If you teach that you are saved because you did something, you teach the false Gospel of Salvation by works which contradicts Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Believing is a work, it is something a man does ! If you teach that you are saved because you did something, you teach the false Gospel of Salvation by works which contradicts Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Savedbymercy, how do YOU know that YOU are one of the elect chosen in Christ before the world began?
Is this an admission that you are not saved?Believing is a work, it is something a man does ! If you teach that you are saved because you did something, you teach the false Gospel of Salvation by works which contradicts Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
savedbymercy
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Is this an admission that you are not saved?
This thread is not about me ! I gave you my testimony a couple times before already. This thread is about people who take Rom 10:9-10 and teach a false Gospel of works. Believing is an act of man, and if you or anyone else say that one is saved because they believed, they are guilty of teaching salvation by ones works, which Paul certainly did not Teach Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The word works is the greek word ergon and means:
business, employment, that which any one is occupied
a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Now believing is a thing done with the Mind !
Believing is a work, it is something a man does !
Where in scripture does it say that believing is a work? I don't want to see you say it I want to see scripture say it.
savedbymercy
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Where in scripture does it say that believing is a work? I don't want to see you say it I want to see scripture say it.
Duh, is believing something man does ?