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What about Rom 10:9-10 ?

savedbymercy

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We know that Faith in Christ for Salvation is from God, and not man's so called freewill as the antichrist followers would tell us, because we always read of the Apostles, the writers of scripture Thanking God for it !

Rom 1:8

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

2 Thess 1:3

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

Col 1:3-4

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

Paul understood that their Faith in Christ was the Gift of God bestowed upon them ! Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 

savedbymercy

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Coming to Christ !



For one to come to Christ, another way of saying believing on His Name, this coming denotes Life, in other words one must have life to come, for a dead man cannot and does not come to Christ, because he has no life, precisely Jesus meaning here in this statement Jn 6:53

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

To eat and to drink here is not literal eating and drinking, but a simple appropriation, spiritually speaking of Spiritual food in the person and Work of Jesus Christ, and to eat of this and drink of this spiritually requires spiritual life to have the least hunger and thirst for Him !

Now what logically would happen if you called a dead person, a person without life to you ? He would not respond ! Where there is no life, there can be no motion, Lazarus could not have come forth, if Christ did not [by miracle grace] first give him Life !
 

savedbymercy

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What is Savation by works or by keeping of Law ?



It is very very rare that one is found to truly believe in Salvation by Grace apart from works or commandment keeping which is Law. Let me make it plain and simple for you, Salvation is by works or by law keeping whenever in our thinking, that the affairs of Salvation are governed by that work or law principle, ingrained in each of us by nature " This do and thou shalt live", Yes it is the do and live principle Lk 10:27,28

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Deut 4:1

Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Yes even if it is obeying the Law or Command to Repent Acts 17:30 or to believe Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Or water baptism Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now if that is one's thinking, that by obeying any command of this nature, is the basis , the prerequisite for one to get saved, then you are saved by works of the law or works of law, this thinking proves that one is still married to the Law, it does not matter their profession to be of Christ, this type thinking betrays that confession, and such a one is a debtor to do the whole law to Live ! Christ profits you nothing !

Thou doest well !

James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

That believing in Christ is a work, a doing well, can be seen here by this scripture, even though this is about believing in the existence of God, it nevertheless presents to us the principal of doing, which is a work.

The word for doest here is the greek word poieō and means:


to make

a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.

b) to be the authors of, the cause

c) to make ready, to prepare

d) to produce, bear, shoot forth

e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self

f) to make a thing out of something

g) to (make i.e.) render one anything

1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that

2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything

h) to put one forth, to lead him out

i) to make one do something

1) cause one to

j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)

2) to do

a) to act rightly, do well

1) to carry out, to execute

b) to do a thing unto one

1) to do to one

c) with designation of time: to pass, spend

d) to celebrate, keep

1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover

e) to perform: to a promise


The word is used for work or joined to works several times as per here:

Matt 7:22

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matt 23:3

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jn 7:3

3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

So it is, those who believe and teach that salvation is contingent upon ones believing, in God or in Christ, or in the Gospel then that one believes and promotes a salvation by works, by doing well !

James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

If we recall, this very similar statement was made to one cain here Gen 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

If we base our Salvation and acceptance with God upon our doing well, then are hopes are built upon the sandy grounds of a works salvation, and unless God delivers us, we are bound to hear these words Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 

Yeshua1

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Thou doest well !

James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

That believing in Christ is a work, a doing well, can be seen here by this scripture, even though this is about believing in the existence of God, it nevertheless presents to us the principal of doing, which is a work.

The word for doest here is the greek word poieō and means:


to make

a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.

b) to be the authors of, the cause

c) to make ready, to prepare

d) to produce, bear, shoot forth

e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self

f) to make a thing out of something

g) to (make i.e.) render one anything

1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that

2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything

h) to put one forth, to lead him out

i) to make one do something

1) cause one to

j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)

2) to do

a) to act rightly, do well

1) to carry out, to execute

b) to do a thing unto one

1) to do to one

c) with designation of time: to pass, spend

d) to celebrate, keep

1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover

e) to perform: to a promise


The word is used for work or joined to works several times as per here:

Matt 7:22

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matt 23:3

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jn 7:3

3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

So it is, those who believe and teach that salvation is contingent upon ones believing, in God or in Christ, or in the Gospel then that one believes and promotes a salvation by works, by doing well !

James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

If we recall, this very similar statement was made to one cain here Gen 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

If we base our Salvation and acceptance with God upon our doing well, then are hopes are built upon the sandy grounds of a works salvation, and unless God delivers us, we are bound to hear these words Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

they NEVER belived unto his name in order to get saved!
 

billwald

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>Rom 10:9-10

>9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

True statement but not an exclusive statement. For example:

1. You can get to Seattle by driving west on I-90 from Idaho.

2. You can get to Seattle by driving north on I-5 from Oregon.

Both statements are true.
 

Yeshua1

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>Rom 10:9-10

>9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

True statement but not an exclusive statement. For example:

1. You can get to Seattle by driving west on I-90 from Idaho.

2. You can get to Seattle by driving north on I-5 from Oregon.

Both statements are true.

ONLY ONE way to be saved...

On the basis of the Cross of christ, received by faith alone, nothing else required!
 

savedbymercy

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How do Believers Establish the Law ?



Rom 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

How do Believers Establish the Law ? It is by Faith that the Believer establishes the Law, by having it revealed to them of their total inability to yield the least obedience to it in themselves, and that Christ has on their behalf yielded a Perfect Obedience thereunto, and hath magnified and made it honorable Isa 42:21

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Their only plea is His Obedience as their Surety and Head in their stead, and also in their stead He satisfied the demands of its' Justice. This is also Paul's meaning in Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

And so all the Righteous Requirements of God's Holy Law are fulfilled in us and not BY US, who walk not according to the flesh, but after the Spirit [In New Birth], that is by the Spiritual fruit of Faith in what the Spirit has revealed to them regarding the finished work of Christ on their behalf and the glorious settlements of God's Law for us, and Christ's Righteousness laid to our Charge, and this Faith in Christ, which is the Gift of God, gives the Highest Honor possible to God's law and its fulfillment through Jesus Christ Our Lord !
 

savedbymercy

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Faith or Believing is a Work !

You missed the point. Believing is doing well. You base your salvation on you doing well, which is a works salvation !


Faith or Believing is a Work !



Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 

savedbymercy

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Freewill gives man to boast !



Freewill gives man reason to boast , which is contrary to Grace Salvation through faith Eph 2:8-9, not of works lest any man should boast. Arminians and freewillers make themselves to differ in that they obeyed the command to repent to be saved, and so made himself to differ from him who did not obey the command to repent. So they overthrow the principle that Paul sets forth here in 1 Cor 4:7

7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

The True Christian knows for certain that their obedience to the Gospel was given them from Heaven Jn 3:27 where Christ sitteth at the Right hand of God Col 3:1

So those who believe and teach that their obedience made the difference for them of saved and lost, congratulations, for you are officially a boaster 2 Tim 3:2

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

For they are too proud to say that God Only makes one to differ in the acts of Gospel Obedience because that Deny's their idol freewill !
 

The Biblicist

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We know that Faith in Christ for Salvation is from God, and not man's so called freewill as the antichrist followers would tell us.

Just who are you calling "antichrist followers"? Do you even know what the scripture explicitly defines as the antichrist and the spirit of antichrist or how to define that spirit??
 

The Biblicist

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You missed the point. Believing is doing well. You base your salvation on you doing well, which is a works salvation !

You are as ignorant of God's Word as the day is long! Justifying faith is repeatedly denied in scripture as a work but you still blaspheme God's Word!

Justifying faith stands in opposition to works in:

1. Rom. 4:5
2. Rom. 4:16
3. Eph. 2:8-9
4. Rom. 3:28
5. John 6:44-45; 64-65
 

savedbymercy

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You are as ignorant of God's Word as the day is long! Justifying faith is repeatedly denied in scripture as a work but you still blaspheme God's Word!

Justifying faith stands in opposition to works in:

1. Rom. 4:5
2. Rom. 4:16
3. Eph. 2:8-9
4. Rom. 3:28
5. John 6:44-45; 64-65

Believing is a Work, something a man does !

Faith or Believing is a Work !



Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 

The Biblicist

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Believing is a Work, something a man does !

Faith or Believing is a Work !



Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Do you need glasses? Jesus said "THIS is the work of...." Who? You or God?

They asked what works they could do but Christ defined faith to be the "WORK OF GOD"! Don't you understand John 6:44-45? Don't you understand John 6:64-65? These texts go on to reaffirm faith is God's work and not man's.

If you can't see that from the context, then, let me help you a little. Right after Christ made this statement we read:

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

Ask yourself why they beleived not? Forget it, you will give the wrong answer! Let Christ answer it for you:

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

They were not GIVEN to the Son by the Father and therefore they could not "COME TO ME" = faith.

Why? Because the giving work of the Father includes the DRAWING work of the Father which is God INTERNALLY producing faith WITHIN all He gives so that they COME. When God draws what He draws COMES and COMING TO CHRIST is contextually defined as "FAITH."

However, even if it is spelled out so clearly to you, you can't see it because your blinded by your false doctrine BUT let's give it a second try just because I like you:

John 6:44-45 is repeated in John 6:64-65. Some didn't BELIEVE in him and that is stated in John 6:64:

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

SMB would you like to know WHY they didn't believe? I really don't think you want to know but I will let Jesus tell you himself:

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


This is the work OF GOD that YE BELIEVE!!
 

savedbymercy

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the bib

Do you need glasses? Jesus said "THIS is the work of...." Who? You or God?


Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 

The Biblicist

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the bib




Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So is regeneration a work of God. So is the eternal covenant a work of God. So is justification a work of God. So is the life and death of Christ a work of God............
 

Yeshua1

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the bib




Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

God grants unto us the repentance and the faith to receive jesus in order to be saved by his death for our sins...

Since he provided ALL needed to get us saved, what again is the 'work" we are doing in the salvation process?
 

savedbymercy

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So is regeneration a work of God. So is the eternal covenant a work of God. So is justification a work of God. So is the life and death of Christ a work of God............

Yes to those questions, but thats evading the point !

.Now that Faith or Believing is a work can be discerned by Jn 6:29

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Whereby believing is stated to be the Work of God, and if we take this to mean that ones believing in Christ is an effectual Work of God in us to will and to do of His good pleasure as Per Phil 2:13 or that believing is the Work or duty that God requires men to do in order to believing in Christ, Now if the former, then God must be given all the credit for working in one to believe in His Son, but if the latter, that our believing is that work God requireth of us, to believe on His Son unto Salvation, then we are saved by our work. Either way believing is a Work here, the Work of Believing, So if it is our work of believing that got us saved, then that is Salvation by works and contrary to Scripture which saith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 

Moriah

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When God draws a person that person is coming. The drawing is the work the coming [believing] is the consequence of that work and man does not do the drawing! Go think on that!

Go think on that mess of a teaching!

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.
 
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