What does "The Limited Atonement" actually proclaim? What are the Scriptural Proofs?

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

BF you were half right in your post. If we are a child of God then we are heirs of God just as we are told in the bible.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

That would be the Heirs, they believe on His Name because they are given Faith as part of their inheritance. When they believe they become Children of God practically, manifested. The elect dont know they are Heirs, Elect, Sheep until they believe on Christ

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



That would be the Heirs, they believe on His Name because they are given Faith as part of their inheritance. When they believe they become Children of God practically, manifested. The elect dont know they are Heirs, Elect, Sheep until they believe on Christ

BF you are putting the cart before the horse with your theological view. You have so many errors in your post it is shocking. Your view is man made as it is not from scripture.

I have quoted a number of verses that clearly point out your errant view and you still persist in throwing out your false views.

If you will not listen to the word of God then there is really no hope for you.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are putting the cart before the horse with your theological view. You have so many errors in your post it is shocking. Your view is man made as it is not from scripture.

I have quoted a number of verses that clearly point out your errant view and you still persist in throwing out your false views.

If you will not listen to the word of God then there is really no hope for you.

Sheep and Heirs are one and the same, and Sheep are Sheep before they believe, Jesus said Jn 10:16


And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Now Jesus said "other Sheep I have"present tense, yet they shall hear His voice and believe future tense, samething with Heirs

There may still be some Heirs who haven't yet been born naturally yet, but when they are born sinners, soonr of later their spiritual salvation will be applied to them

 

[Silverhair]

Sheep and Heirs are one and the same, and Sheep are Sheep before they believe, Jesus said Jn 10:16


And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Now Jesus said "other Sheep I have"present tense, yet they shall hear His voice and believe future tense, samething with Heirs

There may still be some Heirs who haven't yet been born naturally yet, but when they are born sinners, soonr of later their spiritual salvation will be applied to them

I know that you want to hold onto your errant view but the bible just will not agree with it no matter how hard you try to make it do so.

So to to be sure of what you are saying, if one is a sheep that means they are an heir and will believe. So if that is the case then all Jews should have trusted in Christ as their Messiah, they were all heirs
Mat_15:24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

We are all sinners under condemnation of God until we actually trust in Christ. No one is an heir of God until that time.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Everyone is a potential heir of God but only those that freely trust in Him will be.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

I know that you want to hold onto your errant view but the bible just will not agree with it no matter how hard you try to make it do so.

You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion[of inheritance] of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

This illustrates how the Heirs/ Sons are restored to God from their apostacy in Adam

The Heirs are Heirs even while dead in riotous living Vs 13-14

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion[of inheritance] of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

This illustrates how the Heirs/ Sons are restored to God from their apostacy in Adam

The Heirs are Heirs even while dead in riotous living Vs 13-14

Did you miss the obvious, the prodigal son is already an heir because he is the natural born son. We are not heirs of God until we are spiritually born sons of God through faith.
If we have not trusted in Christ then we are not the children of God.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

In order for one to fall away from faith, apostasy, one must first believe.

In order to fall from being a son of God you would first have to be a son of God and you are only a son of God through faith.

So while everyone is a potential heir of God it is only those that trust in Him that are actually heirs of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Did you miss the obvious, the prodigal son is already an heir because he is the natural born son. We are not heirs of God until we are spiritually born sons of God through faith.
If we have not trusted in Christ then we are not the children of God.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

In order for one to fall away from faith, apostasy, one must first believe.

In order to fall from being a son of God you would first have to be a son of God and you are only a son of God through faith.

So while everyone is a potential heir of God it is only those that trust in Him that are actually heirs of God.

You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

 

[Silverhair]

You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

You still don't get it BF. You think everyone is a child of God but scripture says they are not.
All have the potential of becoming a child of God through faith in Him.

The only ones that are children of God are those that have trusted in Him.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Man has rejected God and been spiritually separated from Him but He will accept us as sons if we will turn to Him in faith.

That is what we are being told in The Parable of the Prodigal Son.

 

[Brightfame52]

You still don't get it BF. You think everyone is a child of God but scripture says they are not.
All have the potential of becoming a child of God through faith in Him.

The only ones that are children of God are those that have trusted in Him.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Man has rejected God and been spiritually separated from Him but He will accept us as sons if we will turn to Him in faith.

That is what we are being told in The Parable of the Prodigal Son.

You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

The Sheep that was lost was always a Sheep even when lost Lk 15:4-10

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The Sheep is another name for an heir. The heirs enter into the world experimentally lost in sin like all men are, yet they still heirs of salvation and will be saved,

Friend you have no knowledge of these things

 

[Silverhair]

You still dont get it, the heir /son was always a son/heir, even when they fell and became lost and dead Lk 15:11-24

The Sheep that was lost was always a Sheep even when lost Lk 15:4-10

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The Sheep is another name for an heir. The heirs enter into the world experimentally lost in sin like all men are, yet they still heirs of salvation and will be saved,

Friend you have no knowledge of these things

BF you are confusing a natural heir and a spiritual heir.
By you logic since Christ Himself called the Israel the lost sheep and also said He had other sheep {gentiles} and you said "The Sheep is another name for an heir." Then you must hold to universal salvation as Israel sheep and Gentile sheep comprise the whole world thus all are heirs,and by your words "yet they still heirs of salvation and will be saved,"

Friend you have no knowledge of these things

All, Jews and Gentiles, are potential heirs of God but the bible is clear that in order to be an actual heir of God you have to be part of His family and the only way that happens is through adoption through faith.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

You can continue to deny this truth but it will not change the truth.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are confusing a natural heir and a spiritual heir.
By you logic since Christ Himself called the Israel the lost sheep and also said He had other sheep {gentiles} and you said "The Sheep is another name for an heir." Then you must hold to universal salvation as Israel sheep and Gentile sheep comprise the whole world thus all are heirs,and by your words "yet they still heirs of salvation and will be saved,"

Friend you have no knowledge of these things

All, Jews and Gentiles, are potential heirs of God but the bible is clear that in order to be an actual heir of God you have to be part of His family and the only way that happens is through adoption through faith.
Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

You can continue to deny this truth but it will not change the truth.

You confused

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You confused

You confused

Can you define the devil?

 

[Brightfame52]

Can you define the devil?

I could but i c no reason why I should, you can study that for yourself

 

[Silverhair]

You confused

BF how much clearer can the bible be than what we see here
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, {those that believe are spiritual heirs of God}
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, {natural born heirs does not equal salvation} but of God. {salvation is for the spiritual heirs of God}

We have natural heirs and spiritual heirs and you are confusing them.
All, Jews and Gentiles, are potential heirs of God but the bible is clear that in order to be an actual heir of God you have to be part of His family and the only way that happens is through adoption through faith.

You are trying to make scripture fit into your theological grid.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I could but i c no reason why I should, you can study that for yourself

I could but i c no reason why I should, you can study that for yourself

That’s your problem. You have not defined real situations where you come in contact with underlying conditions where evil attempts to manipulate. You see, identification clarifies.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That’s your problem. You have not defined real situations where you come in contact with underlying conditions where evil attempts to manipulate. You see, identification clarifies.

LOL, Do you live on this earth? Guess not if you need proof. Anyway, never mind

 

[Brightfame52]

BF how much clearer can the bible be than what we see here
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, {those that believe are spiritual heirs of God}
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, {natural born heirs does not equal salvation} but of God. {salvation is for the spiritual heirs of God}

We have natural heirs and spiritual heirs and you are confusing them.
All, Jews and Gentiles, are potential heirs of God but the bible is clear that in order to be an actual heir of God you have to be part of His family and the only way that happens is through adoption through faith.

You are trying to make scripture fit into your theological grid.

You confused as stated b4

 

[Brightfame52]

That’s your problem. You have not defined real situations where you come in contact with underlying conditions where evil attempts to manipulate. You see, identification clarifies.

I dont have do all that 4 u

 

[Silverhair]

You confused as stated b4

BF it is not me that you have a problem with, it is scripture. You refuse to even deal with the text and just say I am confused. What am I confused about BF?

What does the bible say BF?

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Those that believe are spiritual heirs of God. Do you not understand this verse? How much clearer does God have to make it before you will actually believe what He has said?

 

[Brightfame52]

BF it is not me that you have a problem with, it is scripture. You refuse to even deal with the text and just say I am confused. What am I confused about BF?

What does the bible say BF?

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Those that believe are spiritual heirs of God. Do you not understand this verse? How much clearer does God have to make it before you will actually believe what He has said?

Yes its you, I spent a little time explaining, and you cant see it