What does "The Limited Atonement" actually proclaim? What are the Scriptural Proofs?

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Isaac & Ishmael were both natural born heirs of Abraham

False, being an heir is spiritual, and ishmael wasnt an heir neither was his mother , you dont read Gal 4:29-30

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

 

[Silverhair]

Those who believed on Christ, received Him were born again heirs of salvation, but they were heirs b4 they were born of God.

The bible disagrees with your view BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Isaac was to be the human heir of Abraham even before he was born. He was an heir through natural birth.

Sorry its spiritual heir, thats why he had to be born after the Spirit Gal 429

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Also all the heirs of salvation start off naturally born, but they will be born again spiritually, thats part of their inheritance

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Sorry its spiritual heir, thats why he had to be born after the Spirit Gal 429

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Also all the heirs of salvation start off naturally born, but they will be born again spiritually, thats part of their inheritance

Sorry BF one is only a spiritual heir if they believe. Ishmael Gal_4:23 mocked Isaac, and it has always been true that those born of the flesh have persecuted those born of the Spirit which is synonymous with “according to the promise” in the previous verse. Gal 4:28

You have gotten part of it right, we all start out with a natural birth and those that believe will have a spiritual birth and thus become heirs/children of God.

Being born of believing parents does not mean you inherit their salvation. Each person must freely trust in Christ Jesus for their own salvation.

You really do not understand salvation if you think it is part of your inheritance.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Sorry BF one is only a spiritual heir if they believe

Thats false, they are a spiritual heir b4 they believe, but they are guaranteed to believe by the Gift of Faith. One is an heir of salvation from their mothers womb as was Isaac Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Gal 4:1-8

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

There was a time when the heir was spiritually dead, unconverted and knew not God, but they were still " the heir" and in due time because they were redeemed by Christs death, they will receive the gift of the Spirit in their heart [regeneration]and then begin their spiritual life as an spiritual heir in fellowship with God through Christ.

Nevertheless Gal 4:1 proves they were a spiritual heir before converted to Faith in Christ

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Thats false, they are a spiritual heir b4 they believe, but they are guaranteed to believe by the Gift of Faith. One is an heir of salvation from their mothers womb as was Isaac Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Gal 4:1-8

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

There was a time when the heir was spiritually dead, unconverted and knew not God, but they were still " the heir" and in due time because they were redeemed by Christs death, they will receive the gift of the Spirit in their heart [regeneration]and then begin their spiritual life as an spiritual heir in fellowship with God through Christ.

Nevertheless Gal 4:1 proves they were a spiritual heir before converted to Faith in Christ

BF your logic is flawed.

I was the natural heir of my father as I am His child. We become the spiritual heir of God when we become His child through faith in His risen Son. Those that reject Christ are not heirs of God are they?

Verses 4 & 5 which you conveniently overlook shows you your error.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Gal 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Note Christ has to redeem them before they are adopted as sons/become heirs. And who are the redeemed? It cannot be all Jews as not all believe in Him or all Gentiles for the same reason. So there must be a condition for one's redemption and there is, FAITH in Him.

Those that trust in Him are redeemed and thus become heirs of God as they are now children of God. You cannot be a spiritual heir prior to being spiritually reborn.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

 

[Brightfame52]

BF your logic is flawed.

I was the natural heir of my father as I am His child. We become the spiritual heir of God when we become His child through faith in His risen Son. Those that reject Christ are not heirs of God are they?

Verses 4 & 5 which you conveniently overlook shows you your error.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Gal 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Note Christ has to redeem them before they are adopted as sons/become heirs. And who are the redeemed? It cannot be all Jews as not all believe in Him or all Gentiles for the same reason. So there must be a condition for one's redemption and there is, FAITH in Him.

Those that trust in Him are redeemed and thus become heirs of God as they are now children of God. You cannot be a spiritual heir prior to being spiritually reborn.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Gal 4 :1 shows that the heir was an heir prior to the Spirit being given to them v6

6 And because ye are sons[Heirs], God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[Silverhair]

Gal 4 :1 shows that the heir was an heir prior to the Spirit being given to them v6

6 And because ye are sons[Heirs], God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

BF it is obvious that you do not understand the difference between a natural heir and a spiritual heir.

When you figure that out then you will see the error of your view.

Here is a clue for you
Natural son of human parents
Gal 4:1 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything,

Spiritual son reborn of the Holy Spirit
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
Gal 4:5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
Gal 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

Because we are reborn of the Spirit we can call God "Abba! Father!"
As children of God we are now heirs in the kingdom of God. The Spirit does not indwell us until we believe in Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

BF it is obvious that you do not understand the difference between a natural heir and a spiritual heir.

This isn't about anything natural, its about heirs of salvation, its spiritual Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

This goes for men or women who will be saved, they were heirs

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

@Silverhair




This isn't about anything natural, its about heirs of salvation, its spiritual Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

This goes for men or women who will be saved, they were heirs

I like this from Al Mohler

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair




This isn't about anything natural, its about heirs of salvation, its spiritual Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

This goes for men or women who will be saved, they were heirs

I do think you are finally getting it BF. While God desires all to be saved, to become heirs, it is only those that freely trust in Him that will be His heirs.

Rom 4:13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if those who are of the law {works} are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, {Jews} but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all {those who believe}

So we see that contrary to what you posted
Brightfame52 said:
" Gal 4 :1 shows that the heir was an heir prior to the Spirit being given to them v6"

BF it is obvious that you do not understand the difference between a natural heir Gal 4:1 and a spiritual heir Gal 4:6.

Abraham had physical/natural heirs {Gal 4:1} but no one is an heir, in the spiritual since, {Gal 4:6} prior to them trusting in Christ.
The promise to Abraham was not through circumcision (Romans 4:9-12) nor through the law (Romans 4:13-16), but through the righteousness of faith.

Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.