What does "The Limited Atonement" actually proclaim? What are the Scriptural Proofs?

[Silverhair]

Yes its you, I spent a little time explaining, and you cant see it

BF I am quoting scripture and you say the scripture is wrong. Egro it is scripture that you have a problem with and you will just not accept that.

Are we just to take your view over the word of God?

 

[Brightfame52]

BF I am quoting scripture and you say the scripture is wrong. Egro it is scripture that you have a problem with and you will just not accept that.

Are we just to take your view over the word of God?

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

 

[Silverhair]

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

I am curious as to when you think you explained scripture to me?

What do you not understand about these verses or better yet what do you think they say? And perhaps you can explain why you think what you do.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

I am curious as to when you think you explained scripture to me?

What do you not understand about these verses or better yet what do you think they say? And perhaps you can explain why you think what you do.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

So….whats that tell you?

 

[Silverhair]

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

BF what you do is avoid any question that you do not have any answers for. You continue to avoid dealing with scripture and give the same non answers just as you did in your last post.

 

[Silverhair]

So….whats that tell you?

EFW it just shows that BF does not have an answer to the question. BF's view is in complete disagreement with scripture and yet he holds to it.

BF is more concerned about supporting that man-made view than he is the word of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF what you do is avoid any question that you do not have any answers for. You continue to avoid dealing with scripture and give the same non answers just as you did in your last post.

You just cant see it

 

[Silverhair]

You just cant see it

And again a non-answer. So you have no response to the word of God that shows your view is wrong.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

"Regeneration by the Holy Spirit
is necessary for us to have true faith, and thereby to be saved.

"The gift of the Holy Spirit to regenerate and sanctify
is actually given to all whom Christ died for."

John 3:3 “Jesus answered and said to him,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Acts 16:14 “Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us.
She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira,
who worshiped God.
The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.”

Eph. 1:13, 14 “In Him you also trusted,
after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation;
in whom also, having believed,
you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
who is the guarantee of our inheritance
until the redemption of the purchased possession,
to the praise of His glory.”

Titus 3:5, 6 “Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us,
through the washing of regeneration
and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
whom He poured out on us abundantly
through Jesus Christ our Savior.”

I Cor. 1:30 “But of Him you are in Christ Jesus,
who became for us wisdom from God –
and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”

II Thess. 2:13 “But we are bound to give thanks to God
always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord,
because God from the beginning chose you for salvation
through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.”


Heb. 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ,
who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself
without spot to God, purge your conscience f
from dead works to serve the living God?”

I Pet. 1:2 “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience
and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.”
...

"2. There are a number of Bible passages that give us
a glimpse of the purpose of Christ in fulfilling the Eternal Covenant with His Father made before the foundation of the world."

"In summary, Jesus laid down His life
for those whom the Father had “given” to Him.

Read John 6:35-40 and John 17 carefully.
...

"3. Jesus is conscious of laying down His life for “His sheep.”

"Those who are not believers are not “His sheep” (Jn. 10:26).

"John 10:24-29 “Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him,
How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.

"Jesus answered them, I told you, and you do not believe.

"The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.

"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep,
as I said to you.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them,
and they follow Me.

"And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;
and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”

(see also John 10:11,14-18 and Matthew 25:31-46)
...

4. In the High Priestly prayer of Christ,
Jesus does not pray for the world in general,
but for those who were given to Him by His Father.

John 17:2, 6, 9, 11, 12, 24;

“As You have given Him authority over all flesh,
that He should give eternal life
to as many as You have given Him.

"I have manifested Your name to the men
whom You have given Me out of the world.

"They were Yours, You gave them to Me,
and they have kept Your word.

"I pray for them.

"I do not pray for the world
but for those whom You have given Me,
for they are Yours.

"Now I am no longer in the world,
but these are in the world,
and I come to You.

"Holy Father, keep through Your name
those whom You have given Me,
that they may be one as We are.

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name.

"Those whom You gave Me I have kept;
and none of them is lost except the son of perdition,
that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

"Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me
may be with Me where I am,
that they may behold My glory which You have given Me;

"for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.”
...

"5. Christ “justified” those for whom He died (Rom. 5:9).

(Note: Folks like to use their reasoning formulas to oppose

the verses & teachings we've seen regarding a Limited Atonement.

However, this type of reasoning, below, remains triumphant.)


"If Christ bore the sins of all men without exception,
then all men are justified.

"If all men are justified, then they receive Christ by faith
and are at peace with God (Rom. 5:1).

"All who are justified are likewise glorified (Rom. 8:30).

"It is clear from the Bible as well as from the world in which we live
that many live and die at enmity with God and are lost eternally.

"If Christ died for all, then all would be justified,
and none would be lost.

"We see from the Bible and our world that this is not true."

 

[Wesley Briggman]

"If all men are justified, then they receive Christ by faith
and are at peace with God (Rom. 5:1).

[Rom 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

What translation Paul Treick using?

 

[Brightfame52]

And again a non-answer. So you have no response to the word of God that shows your view is wrong.

You just cant see it

 

[Silverhair]

You just cant see it

So you realize that you are in disagreement with the word of God so you just make your non-answer responses.

For someone that thinks their view is correct you do not provide any scriptural support for it BF. Time to admit that your view is made of hole cloth.

 

[Brightfame52]

So you realize that you are in disagreement with the word of God so you just make your non-answer responses.

For someone that thinks their view is correct you do not provide any scriptural support for it BF. Time to admit that your view is made of hole cloth.

, I spent a little time explaining scripture to you, and you cant see it

 

[Silverhair]

I asked you this in a previous post and you just ignored it so I will ask it again.
What do you not understand about these verses or better yet what do you think they say? And perhaps you can explain why you think what you do.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

You keep saying a person is an heir of God before they believe but the bible disagrees with you so point out what I can't see.

Those verses do not leave any doubt. We are not heirs of God through any human means but only through faith in Him.

 

[Brightfame52]

I asked you this in a previous post and you just ignored it so I will ask it again.
What do you not understand about these verses or better yet what do you think they say? And perhaps you can explain why you think what you do.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

You keep saying a person is an heir of God before they believe but the bible disagrees with you so point out what I can't see.

Those verses do not leave any doubt. We are not heirs of God through any human means but only through faith in Him.

They were heirs b4 faith, they were born heirs from their mothers womb as Isaac was

 

[Silverhair]

They were heirs b4 faith, they were born heirs from their mothers womb as Isaac was

So by your own post you have shown that you do not believe the clear text I have given you. BF you have to ignore clear biblical text so you can hold to your man-made theological position.

How much clearer does the word of God have to be before you will admit the error of your thinking?
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Rom 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

 

[Brightfame52]

So by your own post you have shown that you do not believe the clear text I have given you. BF you have to ignore clear biblical text so you can hold to your man-made theological position.

How much clearer does the word of God have to be before you will admit the error of your thinking?
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Rom 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

A person is born an Heir Just like Isaac was, Abrahams child of promise. All believers in Christ are as Isaac was Children of promise Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

All the children of promise, heirs will be given, alloted Faith 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us[heirs] through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

 

[Silverhair]

A person is born an Heir Just like Isaac was, Abrahams child of promise. All believers in Christ are as Isaac was Children of promise Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

All the children of promise, heirs will be given, alloted Faith 2 Pet 1:1

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us[heirs] through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

What was the promise made to Abraham? Was Isaac saved before he was born? Was he even saved before he trusted in God?

Yes Isaac was Abraham's child of promise. God told Abraham he and Sarah would have a son. Gen_17:19 "But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; ..." What was the covenant that God carried on through Isaac? That through the seed of Abraham {Jesus} salvation would come to the world.

Even the verse you post
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
does not support your view. Those that believe are those that are the heir/child of God.

You still have not even made the attempt to respond to
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


How much clearer does the word of God have to be before you will admit the error of your thinking?

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

What was the promise made to Abraham?

Heaven, Eternal life, thats the promised inheritance for him and his seed. Gal 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Thats why he looked for a heavenly country Heb 11 16

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Thats why he was heir of the world , the new world Rom 4:13

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.