What is the Lord's day according to scripture alone?

[Adonia]

Ok, quote Jesus, from scripture, on "the Lord's day" being Sunday.

I already quoted Jesus showing that the Lord's day is the sabbath, the seventh day. Hence the OP and subsequent materials.

For Jesus the SABBATH was saturday, but you do realize he died and left tis earth. Scripture tells us he gave others the power to " bind and loose" things, so they did. St. Paul said they gathered for worship on the first day of the week, and that my friend is the end of the story. Your gal got it all wrong.

 

[robycop3]

For Jesus the SABBATH was saturday, but you do realize he died and left tis earth. Scripture tells us he gave others the power to " bind and loose" things, so they did. St. Paul said they gathered for worship on the first day of the week, and that my friend is the end of the story. Your gal got it all wrong.

The sabbath was given ONLY TO ISRAEL. And Jesus, as a man, was a Jew. Naturally he observed a Saturday sabbath.

 

[robycop3]

So, HOW ABOUT IT, o Seven-Day-Adlibbers ! Please show us ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE where GENTILES are commanded to observe the sabbath !

 

[Alofa Atu]

Jesus never mentions any importance to observing the sabbath, BECAUSE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.

Have you considered the teaching of Jesus in all of the NT, especially the Gospels, wherein Jesus corrects the sabbath-keeping of His people, from vain traditions, and false notions? Have you considered the 7 miracles of Christ Jesus upon the Sabbath, and seen them in the light of the plan of Redemption? I will show you the first 4, and you may look for the latter 3:

Just the NT:

Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;
Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;
Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;
John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;
Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15-16), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;​

Additional references are:

John 12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)
Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]
Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc​

The scripture declares who the real sinners and Sabbath breakers were, it was those murderous and plotting pharisees, who while seeking to accuse Jesus, to find fault with Him, and plotted against Him how they might overcome Him, and to kill Jesus upon the Sabbath are seen in their stark and hateful contrast to the compassionate, loving restorer and Saviour of life, Jesus Christ, who in His work, healed, delivered, saved, restored, gave rest to those in pain, suffering, mourning, shewing mercy, demonstrating the fulfillment of love, etc upon the Sabbath, showing all mankind the perfect loving example of what True Sabbath keeping was to be.

[1] Jesus healed a man lame in his legs for 38 years [John 5:5] [even as Israel in the wilderness for 38 years; Deuteronomy 2:14], because of sin. Jesus is looking to heal our walk upon the Sabbath, leading us back in the Way of God, His Commandments, Honouring our Father in Heaven, calling the Sabbath a delight, Honourable, Honouring Him in it [Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:12], that we may be able to walk once more with Him upon the Sabbath in righteousness, as it was from Creation.

[2] Jesus healed a man with a withered hand in the gathering upon Sabbath [Matthew 12:9-15; Mark 3:1-6; Luke 6:6-11], and it was the "right hand" [thus a connection to the Seal and Mark, and the right arm of the Everlasting Gospel, the Health/Restoration aspect]. This man, a church [Acts 7:38] goer, was crippled in his right hand, thus as we see, he represents those in the church whose right hand is withered, their obedience to the Commandments of God is withered, crippled (the health-reform is crippled), their actions enfeebled in true service, and yet Jesus would come to them and heal their limp and lifeless service to Him, and make it vibrant again. The right hand is also connected to God's Law, being then also connected to the Seal of the Living God, and also to the Mark of the Beast, for those who take the Mark of the Beast, shall indeed receive a crippling mark in the right hand, for they will have forsaken the right way, and chosen the commandments of men over the Commandments of God, and remain as sinners in the bondage, chains of sin.

[3] Jesus healed a blind man [John 9:1-41] on the Sabbath, restoring the sight not only physically (using natural remedy and faith in His word), but also spiritually, so that He could not only see the Saviour physically, but also see that He was truly the Saviour, the Messiah, the Christ, the sent of God. As it is written, Laodicea is blind [Revelation 3:17-18], and needs also the restoring and saving power of Jesus Christ to heal them, from their own blindness, that they may see the beauty of Christ Jesus, the LORD of the Sabbath, and what ought needs be done therein. Turn to Isaiah 58 and Isaiah 61 and Job 29, and read wherein the healing of the sight needs to happen, so that the blind may see again the glory of the LORD, and see their fellow man, lost in sin and in suffering, and take the Everlasting Gospel to them. Jesus did this very thing in Luke 4:17-32]. If any choose to remain blind as the pharisees of old, they will fall into the ditch, for that ditch, spiritually, is the "whore" [Proverbs 23:27], and her harlot daughters, and that "whore" is found in Revelation 17:1-18, Revelation 19:2. Her mark is the false sabbath - "sunday". God's Seal is the 7th Day of which the Holy Spirit seals those who love God and keep His Commandments with.

[4] Jesus healed the woman bound by satan, and bent over, unable to "stand" up straight (Luke 13:10-17), a symbol of healing from sin, for to stand up is to live a life without sin (Job 1:1,8, 2:3; Psalms 37:37; Proverb 29:27; Ecclesiastes 7:29, etc). A woman, a symbol of a church (Ephesians 5:22-33), and make no mistake, this woman was a "church" goer (Acts 7:38).​

Jesus is looking to restore the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God to this world [as so many have forgotten it, trample upon its sacred hours, and upon Him who makes it Holy], and to give them rest, from sin [1 John 3:4].

 

[Alofa Atu]

So, HOW ABOUT IT, o Seven-Day-Adlibbers ! Please show us ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE where GENTILES are commanded to observe the sabbath !

Isaiah 56:1-8.

 

[Alofa Atu]

The sabbath was given ONLY TO ISRAEL. ...

No, Mark 2:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. The sabbath, as given to Israel after the flesh, (because they had forgotten in Egyptian bondage, and now commanded to "Remember"), was to be taken to the whole world. They were to be a light unto all nations, that all nations would repent and serve God. See Deuteronomy 4. See in the days of Solomon with the Queen of 7. See Jesus (True Israel; Matthew 2:13-15,19-21; Hosea 11:1; 1 Corinthians 15:44-46), saying the same in Matthew 5:14.

 

[Alofa Atu]

There are more than 40000 verses of scripture. And Jesus had his whole life to make a point.

But he forgot this insanity about having to keep sabbath?

Jesus began the Gospel Ministry in the Day of His Rest:

Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
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But they too rejected Him and it, because they desired their sin/s more than being free from it/them.

Luk 4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.​

The healer, about to be murdered by those who refused to be healed, refused to acknowledge their need of healing, their Laodicean condition.

Like those who refuse to give up smoking, drinking alcohol, cussing, adultery, theft, etc. They could not admit, that they were all sabbath breakers either, being really murderers upon the day of healing, restoration.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... The tradition, the direction from the Apostles is Sunday worship for the Christian. That has been the fact, the truth for all of Christendom until your gal came along in the 1800's.

No Adonia. Look at the history yourself, carefully.

"... For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, [1] yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this. The Egyptians in the neighbourhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebais, hold their religious meetings on the sabbath ..." - Socrates Scholasticus; The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, surnamed Scholasticus, or the Advocate., comprising a History of the Church in Seven Books, from the accession of Constantine, A.D. 305, to the 38th Year of Theodosius II., including A period of 140 years.; translated from the Greek: with some account of the Author, and notes selected from Valesius.; London: Henry G. Bohn, York Street, Covent Garden. MDCCCLIII (1853).; page 289-290 (PDF 313-314) - The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, Surnamed Scholasticus, Or the Advocate: Comprising a ...
The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, Surnamed Scholasticus, Or the Advocate: Comprising a ...

See also Socrates Scholasticus - Historia ecclesiastica - The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates Scholasticus., Revised, with Notes, byThe Rev. A.C. Zenos, D.D.; Professor of New Testament exegesis in the theological seminary at Hartford, Conn.; page 244 (PDF 244) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0380-0440,_Socrates_Scholasticus,_Historia_ecclesiastica_[Schaff],_EN.pdf
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Even all throughout the history, many more such citations exist. Even 'Patrick of Ireland' was a seventh-day Sabbath keeper and reformer, as given in his own writing/record.

Others make mention of this, and the long battle to denigrate the 7th day, by making it a day of sadness, rather than the gladness it was from the beginning, and the elevation of the counterfeit day:

"... But keep the Sabbath ... the memorial of the creation ... But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year, which is that of our Lord’s burial, on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival. ..." - Apostolic Constitutions, Book VII (7), section XXIII (23), by Philip Schaff; ANF07. Fathers of the Third and Fourth Centuries: Lactantius, Venantius, Asterius, Victorinus, Dionysius, Apostolic Teaching and Constitutions, Homily, and Liturgies; page 692 (PDF 712) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....ers_Of_The_Third_And_Fourth_Centuries,_EN.pdf

"... The people of Constantinople, and of several other cities, assemble together on the sabbath ... which custom is never observed at Rome, or at Alexandria. There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usages established elsewhere, the people meet together on sabbath evenings; and although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries. ..." - Salaminius Hermias Sozomenus (aka: "Sozomen"); The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen, comprising a History of the Church, from A.D. 324 to A.D. 440; translated from the Greek: without a memoir of the Author; also The Ecclesiastical History of Philostorgus, as epitomised by Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople.; translated by Edward Walford, M.A.; late scholar of Balliol College, Oxford.; London: Henry G. Bohn, York Street, Covent Garden. MDCCCLV (1855). page 344 (PDF 364) - The Ecclesiastical History Of Sozomen 1855

See also Salaminius Hermias Sozomenus (aka: "Sozomen"); The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen, comprising a History of the Church, from A.D. 323 to A.D. 425., translated from the Greek.; Revised by Chester D. Hartranft, Hartford Theological Seminary. (page 639-640 (PDF 315-316)) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....,_The_Ecclesiastical_History_[Schaff],_EN.pdf
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[Adonia]

No Adonia. Look at the history yourself, carefully.

"... For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, [1] yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this. The Egyptians in the neighbourhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebais, hold their religious meetings on the sabbath ..." - Socrates Scholasticus; The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, surnamed Scholasticus, or the Advocate., comprising a History of the Church in Seven Books, from the accession of Constantine, A.D. 305, to the 38th Year of Theodosius II., including A period of 140 years.; translated from the Greek: with some account of the Author, and notes selected from Valesius.; London: Henry G. Bohn, York Street, Covent Garden. MDCCCLIII (1853).; page 289-290 (PDF 313-314) - The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, Surnamed Scholasticus, Or the Advocate: Comprising a ...
The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates, Surnamed Scholasticus, Or the Advocate: Comprising a ...

See also Socrates Scholasticus - Historia ecclesiastica - The Ecclesiastical History of Socrates Scholasticus., Revised, with Notes, byThe Rev. A.C. Zenos, D.D.; Professor of New Testament exegesis in the theological seminary at Hartford, Conn.; page 244 (PDF 244) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0380-0440,_Socrates_Scholasticus,_Historia_ecclesiastica_[Schaff],_EN.pdf
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Even all throughout the history, many more such citations exist. Even 'Patrick of Ireland' was a seventh-day Sabbath keeper and reformer, as given in his own writing/record.

Others make mention of this, and the long battle to denigrate the 7th day, by making it a day of sadness, rather than the gladness it was from the beginning, and the elevation of the counterfeit day:

"... But keep the Sabbath ... the memorial of the creation ... But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year, which is that of our Lord’s burial, on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival. ..." - Apostolic Constitutions, Book VII (7), section XXIII (23), by Philip Schaff; ANF07. Fathers of the Third and Fourth Centuries: Lactantius, Venantius, Asterius, Victorinus, Dionysius, Apostolic Teaching and Constitutions, Homily, and Liturgies; page 692 (PDF 712) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....ers_Of_The_Third_And_Fourth_Centuries,_EN.pdf

"... The people of Constantinople, and of several other cities, assemble together on the sabbath ... which custom is never observed at Rome, or at Alexandria. There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usages established elsewhere, the people meet together on sabbath evenings; and although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries. ..." - Salaminius Hermias Sozomenus (aka: "Sozomen"); The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen, comprising a History of the Church, from A.D. 324 to A.D. 440; translated from the Greek: without a memoir of the Author; also The Ecclesiastical History of Philostorgus, as epitomised by Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople.; translated by Edward Walford, M.A.; late scholar of Balliol College, Oxford.; London: Henry G. Bohn, York Street, Covent Garden. MDCCCLV (1855). page 344 (PDF 364) - The Ecclesiastical History Of Sozomen 1855

See also Salaminius Hermias Sozomenus (aka: "Sozomen"); The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen, comprising a History of the Church, from A.D. 323 to A.D. 425., translated from the Greek.; Revised by Chester D. Hartranft, Hartford Theological Seminary. (page 639-640 (PDF 315-316)) - http://www.documentacatholicaomnia....,_The_Ecclesiastical_History_[Schaff],_EN.pdf
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Look, neither of us is going to convince the other of our stated positions on this issue. So you and your JW friends can set sail on the SS Saturday Worship and be assured that the rest of Christendom will not attempt to board your boat. God bless!

 

[Alofa Atu]

set sail on the SS Saturday Worship and be assured that the rest of Christendom will not attempt to board your boat.

Prophecy states that such persons who do not desire to board this Ark (Revelation 11:19) will not only try to break in, but to destroy us (Revelation 13).

 

[rockytopva]

Prophecy states that such persons who do not desire to board this Ark (Revelation 11:19) will not only try to break in, but to destroy us (Revelation 13).

Sounds like a stretch of scripture to justify ones beliefs. We are saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; - Titus 3:5-6

 

[Alofa Atu]

Sounds like a stretch of scripture to justify ones beliefs.

Joh_14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

 

[robycop3]

No, Mark 2:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. The sabbath, as given to Israel after the flesh, (because they had forgotten in Egyptian bondage, and now commanded to "Remember"), was to be taken to the whole world. They were to be a light unto all nations, that all nations would repent and serve God. See Deuteronomy 4. See in the days of Solomon with the Queen of 7. See Jesus (True Israel; Matthew 2:13-15,19-21; Hosea 11:1; 1 Corinthians 15:44-46), saying the same in Matthew 5:14.

Again, please show us a Scripture where gentiles are commanded to observe the sabbath.

 

[robycop3]

Isaiah 56:1-8.

In old Israel and Judah, if a gentile wished to become part of the israelis, he/she had to follow ALL the "Mosaic" law, same as the Israelis themselves. So, this is NOT a general command to gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Remember, the same rules applied to ALL who would observe passover, even though that, too, was given only to Israel.

 

[Yeshua1]

Prophecy states that such persons who do not desire to board this Ark (Revelation 11:19) will not only try to break in, but to destroy us (Revelation 13).

What NT passage states that the Church now under Jewish Sabbath? Up to you to prove Sunday is not the Lords day now!

 

[Alofa Atu]

In old Israel and Judah, if a gentile wished to become part of the israelis, he/she had to follow ALL the "Mosaic" law, same as the Israelis themselves. So, this is NOT a general command to gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Remember, the same rules applied to ALL who would observe passover, even though that, too, was given only to Israel.

Read Isaiah 56:1-8 again. It is New Covenant, not old. Isaiah 56:8 is connected to John 10:16. The entire thing is about Jesus, and His "my covenant", and an "everlasting name". Read Isaiah 56:1, as it too is about Jesus, see Luke 2:30, etc. The entire thing is about Him, and who would join Him. The entire book of Acts shows the fulfillment of it.

 

[Alofa Atu]

...Up to you to prove Sunday is not the Lords day now!

Did that with the OP and subsequent material. You have yet to even have a coherent thought and reply in regards to what was given. Simply saying, "Show me.", when I have shown you, means that you are claiming to be blind.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Baptists really aren't sola scriptura. They just like to pretend to be.

 

[robycop3]

Read Isaiah 56:1-8 again. It is New Covenant, not old. Isaiah 56:8 is connected to John 10:16. The entire thing is about Jesus, and His "my covenant", and an "everlasting name". Read Isaiah 56:1, as it too is about Jesus, see Luke 2:30, etc. The entire thing is about Him, and who would join Him. The entire book of Acts shows the fulfillment of it.

Paul, who had a hotline to Jesus, wrote that it's a matter of conscience. If YOUR conscience tells you to make Saturday a special worship day, fine, even though you're influenced by a charlatan, E. G. White, but MY conscience tells me to make Sunday a special worship day, as that's tjhe CHRISTIAN worship day. And again, the sabbath, as well as passover, was given ONLY TO ISRAEL. Far as I know, I'm not an Israeli.

 

[robycop3]

Baptists really aren't sola scriptura. They just like to pretend to be.

Seven-Day-Adlibbers certainly aren't. They're Sola Ellenwhitea.]