What or who is predestinated?

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First of all if you have this kind of faith they you have eternal Salvation. Also, If you believe that Jesus is the Christ from the heart you have eternal Salvation.

Those who are too young or mental challenged and have not exercised their faith then they were never lost to start with. They were born so they had to die naturally because of Adam's sin but they themselves had never sinned so the second death was never pronounced upon them.

 

Reformed;
If you don't believe then you do not have faith and without faith you cannot please God. Please tell me where in the teachings of Jesus did He ever say that believing or following Him or keeping His commandments were not required of us?
That is only one Scripture, there are many that Jesus himself taught us and then some go over to Peter or Paul and pick up a verse and take it out of context and say it says something different that what Jesus taught us. I always refer back to the teachings of Jesus to get the meaning out of Peter, Paul and the others.

Nowhere do I say that Jesus is not the author of my faith. It is just that you take that to believe that faith is His instead of yours. Being the author of your faith and the finisher of your faith is what your faith brings and finishes. (His death, burial and resurrection and the deliverance of His believers.)

Faith? In what?
What do we have faith in and who is the beginning of what we have faith in?
Who is the finisher of what we have faith in?
So He is the Author and finisher of my faith and not His faith.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
What is the first thing that happens in other words the Genesis of belief= Salvation. Peace raying:

 

7: By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8: By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Romans, chapter 4
12: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
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What or who is predestinated?: Whatever or Whoever God's says.

The passage you presented indicated that God was predestinating those whom He forknew.

 

"1": I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

"2": God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

"29": For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

"30": Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Who was it He foreknew, was it Israel or the Gentiles. First Scripture says it was Israel.

Have you been conformed to His image, justified and glorified even when you were a sinner? Peace

 

"1": I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

"2": God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Eph 2;

"11": Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

"12": That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

It is the Scriptures that speak not I, peace:laugh: And you say they were pre chosen including you.

 

So then if you have eternal salvation, then that kind of faith manifests that the Holy Spirit first quickened you, just like Paul said: and you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses.

But what if these who are too youg or mentally challenged were born Muslims, or pagans, or JW's, or Wiccans, or cannibals ?
I will probably agree with 'they were never lost to start with' since if God who is all knowing knew the circumstances of their birth or lives and in mercy elected them unto salvation, then when Jesus went to the cross, they were among the redeemed, and there are no more 'lost' souls out there, nor will there be anymore lost souls that will be born, and what it is is that they are unregenerate and will be regenerated by the Holy Spirit in due time.

Again, what about all have sinned and come short of the glory of God ?

 

Pinoy;

I agree, I have never said I made myself alive. I think it takes the Holy Ghost Baptism.

It is not mine to give. Scripture says they will come from every nation, kindred and tongue.

I can't find a Scripture in the Bible to a child. Do you know of any? Peace :wavey:

 

Still got the ad hominem going I see but peace.:thumbs:

Also, instead of the remark quote me a Scripture please. raise:

 

you called me pathetic if that is not ad hominem then what is?
The Scriptures speak of who it is talking to as trees and not bushes. peace.raise:

 

I always have Scripture to back up my posts or do my best to have. I don't believe in self righteous.

So, my words are pathetic but I am not. hmmm peace:Fish:

 

Well, don't take this personally but I think what you have posted on here for the most part is hogwash!!! peace:thumbs:


Proverbs, chapter 10
"23": A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.

 

No, back to the Scriptures to Children?:Fish: