Ituttut I don't want to quote some of your last post, because we are starting to get rather lengthy. I completely agree with you that the kingdom message was still preached to a segment of the Jews (probably the majority of the Jews) even while Paul preached salvation by grace through faith and then he even preached the kingdom message to the Gentiles.
Where we differ here is that you say the apostles more than likely never preached salvation by grace through faith, but I find that highly unlikely, becuase there was a generation of Jews that began where God no longer recognized the blood of animals, but they had to come through the blood of Jesus just like the Gentiles. That is true of Jews today. They will not be saved by sacrifices any longer. ALL people must come through the death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.
At some point the reoffer of the kingdom was officially taken away from the nation of Israel and it is right around the time you are speaking of 67 AD or so.
But as you said John live well past that as so it seems nearly impossible that he did not preach salvation by grace through faith to the Jews.
The final thing I guess I would say on this matter is what does it matter
Okay now we're down to cheap shots, eh?
So tell me when did the marriage supper of the Lamb take place?
The marriage supper of the Lamb is a future event, because His bride is not complete yet. You are in fact misunderstanding Scripture because you say that when we are saved and become a part of His body that is when the marriage takes place, but that is an incorrect view.
That is an incorrect view for a couple of reasons. There would have to be a great number of wedding feasts if each person indvidually was married to the Lamb. And then you would have unfaithful Christians married to the Lamb, which is not going to happen.
You can see this picture in the OT of the story of Isaac and Rebekah that the marriage does not take place until after the rapture. You can also see this picture in the story of Ruth and you can see that the marriage doesn't take place until after the judgment seat of Christ.
You can also see in Revelation that the marriage doesn't take place until after the rapture and after the judgement seat of Christ.
This says we are the body of Christ not the bride of Christ. And yes I completely agree that we "church" are the body of Christ. We are His body and will become His bride at a later time (although that time is coming soon!)
That should be enough Scripture or do you need specific references?
Yes check out the story of Saul and David. He will return as King of kings and Lord of lords because he will have kings and lords under Him that will help Him rule the earth from the heavens where Satan and his angels are currently reigning (again reference the story of Saul/David). Those kings and lords will be faithful, overcoming Christians.
Then as you say He will at some point in the future make kings and lords of His brother Israel to rule from the physical earth.
What many people fail to understand is there is two realms of rulership over the earth. There is a heavenly rulership (Daniel says the heavens do rule) and then there is an earthly rulership and these two realms are linked. All the nations, except Israel, are under the guidance from the heavens, while Israel is under the guidance of Michael, becuase Israel is not to be reckoned among the nations.
And it will be the same in the future. Christians will have no part in ruling over Israel. That will be left up to the disciples, but it's not their own kingdom, but under the kingdom of Christ.
Let me quote the verse again.
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.
Who is it that is inheriting in this verse? It is those people that have their eyes opened and turn from darkness to light and from the kingdom of Satan to God. These people receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance.
It says nothing about Christ inheriting these people, but these people inheriting something.
Colossians 3:24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.
Again I thought this was pretty straight forward. Paul is telling the Colossians that THEY will receive the reward of the inheritance. It doesn't say that Christ inherits the Colossians.
So I'm still not sure where you get that we are Christ's inheritance.
Where we differ here is that you say the apostles more than likely never preached salvation by grace through faith, but I find that highly unlikely, becuase there was a generation of Jews that began where God no longer recognized the blood of animals, but they had to come through the blood of Jesus just like the Gentiles. That is true of Jews today. They will not be saved by sacrifices any longer. ALL people must come through the death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.
At some point the reoffer of the kingdom was officially taken away from the nation of Israel and it is right around the time you are speaking of 67 AD or so.
But as you said John live well past that as so it seems nearly impossible that he did not preach salvation by grace through faith to the Jews.
The final thing I guess I would say on this matter is what does it matter
but I see you can prove nothing by scripture or otherwise.
Okay now we're down to cheap shots, eh?
So tell me when did the marriage supper of the Lamb take place?
The marriage supper of the Lamb is a future event, because His bride is not complete yet. You are in fact misunderstanding Scripture because you say that when we are saved and become a part of His body that is when the marriage takes place, but that is an incorrect view.
That is an incorrect view for a couple of reasons. There would have to be a great number of wedding feasts if each person indvidually was married to the Lamb. And then you would have unfaithful Christians married to the Lamb, which is not going to happen.
You can see this picture in the OT of the story of Isaac and Rebekah that the marriage does not take place until after the rapture. You can also see this picture in the story of Ruth and you can see that the marriage doesn't take place until after the judgment seat of Christ.
You can also see in Revelation that the marriage doesn't take place until after the rapture and after the judgement seat of Christ.
I Corinthians 12:27, "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."
This says we are the body of Christ not the bride of Christ. And yes I completely agree that we "church" are the body of Christ. We are His body and will become His bride at a later time (although that time is coming soon!)
That should be enough Scripture or do you need specific references?
Scripture please for we that are One with Him, in His Body. He is my Lord, and He is the King of the Jews, higher than all other Kings. He has made kings and priests of His people, and there will be other kings that will bring their glory and honor.
Yes check out the story of Saul and David. He will return as King of kings and Lord of lords because he will have kings and lords under Him that will help Him rule the earth from the heavens where Satan and his angels are currently reigning (again reference the story of Saul/David). Those kings and lords will be faithful, overcoming Christians.
Then as you say He will at some point in the future make kings and lords of His brother Israel to rule from the physical earth.
What many people fail to understand is there is two realms of rulership over the earth. There is a heavenly rulership (Daniel says the heavens do rule) and then there is an earthly rulership and these two realms are linked. All the nations, except Israel, are under the guidance from the heavens, while Israel is under the guidance of Michael, becuase Israel is not to be reckoned among the nations.
And it will be the same in the future. Christians will have no part in ruling over Israel. That will be left up to the disciples, but it's not their own kingdom, but under the kingdom of Christ.
Aren't we among those He inherits?
Let me quote the verse again.
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.
Who is it that is inheriting in this verse? It is those people that have their eyes opened and turn from darkness to light and from the kingdom of Satan to God. These people receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance.
It says nothing about Christ inheriting these people, but these people inheriting something.
Colossians 3:24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance. It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.
Again I thought this was pretty straight forward. Paul is telling the Colossians that THEY will receive the reward of the inheritance. It doesn't say that Christ inherits the Colossians.
So I'm still not sure where you get that we are Christ's inheritance.