What Stand Does BJU Take?

[John of Japan]

I believe BJU to be neither KJVO or KJVP (preferred). When I was there in the 1970s, the Greek text was the USB, and other English versions were not only allowed, but recommended by some faculty members. Dr. Stewart Custer, their top scholar, recommended the NASB, and I have a first edition NT of that version from when I was there. In my book, if you don't use the TR in your Greek classes, you are neither KJVO or KJVP.

Here is a 2000 open letter from KJVO kingpin Waite attacking BJU for their stand: http://www.biblefortoday.org/articles/open_letter.htm

Please, use only actual evidence if you wish to prove a KJVP or KJVO stand by BJU.

 

[Jerome]

http://www.bju.edu/about/positions.php

"Although Bob Jones University does not hold to a King James Only position, we continue to hold the widely-used King James Version (KJV) as the campus standard in the classroom and in the chapel pulpit....However, from the founder to the present administration, we have never taken the position that there can be only one good translation in the English language."

 

[John of Japan]

Back in the 1990s there was quite a fooforaw between Pensacola Christian College (PCC). Here is some of the material: http://www.troyandjessica.com/article/28

PCC made a videotape of TR advocate Theodore Letis speaking at PCC, attacking BJU on textual criticism, etc., and sent it around the country. BJU responded as you might expect. In the material linked to above, Thurmond Wisdom wrote that "in recent years, in response to the confusion resulting from the Bible version debate, we have made the King James Version our official Bible. We require that it be used in all services and classes on campus."

Some might take this to mean that BJU is KJVP. However, this is actually a kind of political act that some IFB institutions have taken to avoid the KJVO controversy so they can simply get on with what they are supposed to do--educate students. Note that no statement was made about the Greek text used by BJU, which as far as I know continues to be the eclectic/critical text, the UBS I believe. I don't see how you can be KJVP if you prefer the critical Greek text.

 

[annsni]

All I know is that their homeschool curriculum uses only KJV.

 

[John of Japan]

All I know is that their homeschool curriculum uses only KJV.

We taught our son using ABeka, which only uses the KJV, but I don't remember anything in the curriculum that touted any KJV position. Nowadays I get to teach Bible college with my son (loads of fun), who received his Ph.D. under SBC Greek scholar Dr. David Alan Black. We're both Byzantine preferred, ala Dr. Maurice Robinson (who my son graded and subbed for in seminary).

 

[Jerome]

All I know is that their homeschool curriculum uses only KJV.

Wrong!

http://www.bjupresshomeschool.com/product/295782

 

[evangelist6589]

I believe BJU to be neither KJVO or KJVP (preferred). When I was there in the 1970s, the Greek text was the USB, and other English versions were not only allowed, but recommended by some faculty members. Dr. Stewart Custer, their top scholar, recommended the NASB, and I have a first edition NT of that version from when I was there. In my book, if you don't use the TR in your Greek classes, you are neither KJVO or KJVP.

Here is a 2000 open letter from KJVO kingpin Waite attacking BJU for their stand: http://www.biblefortoday.org/articles/open_letter.htm

Please, use only actual evidence if you wish to prove a KJVP or KJVO stand by BJU.

Some of their churches use the ESV, NASB, and NKJV but the college itself uses only the KJV AND I would know having last attended there in 2009.

 

[evangelist6589]

I believe BJU to be neither KJVO or KJVP (preferred). When I was there in the 1970s, the Greek text was the USB, and other English versions were not only allowed, but recommended by some faculty members. Dr. Stewart Custer, their top scholar, recommended the NASB, and I have a first edition NT of that version from when I was there. In my book, if you don't use the TR in your Greek classes, you are neither KJVO or KJVP.

Here is a 2000 open letter from KJVO kingpin Waite attacking BJU for their stand: http://www.biblefortoday.org/articles/open_letter.htm

Please, use only actual evidence if you wish to prove a KJVP or KJVO stand by BJU.

Trinity Bible church is where'd he once pastored which I attended a few times. It's cool but I am a Calvinist so felt more comfortable elsewhere.

 

[John of Japan]

Some of their churches use the ESV, NASB, and NKJV but the college itself uses only the KJV AND I would know having last attended there in 2009.

If you'll read the thread from the start, you'll find out that I've already acknowledged this. However, I contend that simply requiring the KJV in the classroom as they do does not prove they are KJVO or KJVP.

In the end, if you are tryIng to prove that BJU is KJVP, your statement is meaningless until you define your term. What do you consider to be KJVP? If you classify BJU as KJVP, why do they use the critical Greek text on which almost all modern versions are based?

 

[John of Japan]

By the way, everyone, here is proof that they still use the critical/eclectic Greek text, which in this case is the UBS4: http://libguides.bju.edu/greek

 

[annsni]

Wrong!

http://www.bjupresshomeschool.com/product/295782

Actually right. Every.single.BJU book I have is KJV. I have curriculum from kindergarten to 8th grade in various subjects and all of them have been KJV. Maybe they have since switched? I haven't bought BJU homeschool curriculum in a couple of years.

 

[evangelist6589]

If you'll read the thread from the start, you'll find out that I've already acknowledged this. However, I contend that simply requiring the KJV in the classroom as they do does not prove they are KJVO or KJVP.

In the end, if you are tryIng to prove that BJU is KJVP, your statement is meaningless until you define your term. What do you consider to be KJVP? If you classify BJU as KJVP, why do they use the critical Greek text on which almost all modern versions are based?

Let James White define what a KJVP school is and not you.

 

[John of Japan]

Let James White define what a KJVP school is and not you.

Great. I asked for your definition, but if you want to give White's, that's fine with me.

Actually, though, I believe I'm better qualified than White in bibliology. It's my specialty, having translated the entire NT, having been published, etc. And I have just as many credible advanced degrees as White--namely one. (But far be it from me to toot my own horn. I'm just answering your your supercilious putdown of me. )

 

[InTheLight]

Let James White define what a KJVP school is and not you.

Why? Is White a Calvinist?

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[annsni]

Let James White define what a KJVP school is and not you.

I didn't know James White was the final authority on what was KJVP. I wonder what credentials he has to make himself the ultimate arbitrator of this subject.

 

[evangelist6589]

I didn't know James White was the final authority on what was KJVP. I wonder what credentials he has to make himself the ultimate arbitrator of this subject.

He wrote a book on the topic.

 

[evangelist6589]

Great. I asked for your definition, but if you want to give White's, that's fine with me.

Actually, though, I believe I'm better qualified than White in bibliology. It's my specialty, having translated the entire NT, having been published, etc. And I have just as many credible advanced degrees as White--namely one. (But far be it from me to toot my own horn. I'm just answering your your supercilious putdown of me. )

Did you write a book on the KJV movement?

 

[annsni]

He wrote a book on the topic.

You mean this book that I have sitting next to me?

 

[annsni]

Did you write a book on the KJV movement?

Did you?

I guess you didn't see the part where John actually translated the NT? Did James White?

 

[TCassidy]

Let James White define what a KJVP school is and not you.

For the purposes of this Forum KJVO has already been defined.

http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/definitions-of-kjv-only.2239/