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ApollotheBrave
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If I was in a situation of power the first thing I would do is empathize with the citizens and be out there with them. After the smoke has cleared I would into investigation on what actually happened, who was responsible and punish those people accordingly. If the IS was actually involved I think an open conversation towards peace would be good but not without justice. Violence is never the solution here.
poncho
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That does seem to be what we are best at. Find a policy that isn't working or is doing more harm than good then double down on it and increase funding.
Gotta keep that war machine rolling. It helps pay for a lot of political campaigns.
Occupying Iraq for over a decade sure paid lots of dividends. Let's go right back in! Great idea!
Just maintain targeting of ISIS leadership and pool intelligence with Europe. If they want to do some of the heavy lifting then support them with air superiority.
Listen, there is never going to be absolute peace or safety from terrorism. There is always going to be a guy with the motivation and resources to kill a lot of people. Wasting money we don't have and the lives of our Soldiers to sit there and simply hold ground in the middle east until the end of time is a colossal waste of lives and resources. It isn't sustainable.
Just maintain targeting of ISIS leadership and pool intelligence with Europe. If they want to do some of the heavy lifting then support them with air superiority.
Listen, there is never going to be absolute peace or safety from terrorism. There is always going to be a guy with the motivation and resources to kill a lot of people. Wasting money we don't have and the lives of our Soldiers to sit there and simply hold ground in the middle east until the end of time is a colossal waste of lives and resources. It isn't sustainable.
The problem was not going into Iraq, the problem was caused when we prematurely left Iraq which is exactly what Bush predicted would happen if we did that.
I know PBS isn't thought of well around here...or NPR or well other things...but their news magazine Frontline had a very good report a while back about the Rise of ISIS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/
FWIW, these kinds of people want to see the world burn. They don't care about how it happens, they want to return us to the dark ages and destroy anything they disagree with...at the moment. It is entirely counter-humanity.
The West lacks the resolve to confront and defeat ISIS. Leaders like our current President believe ideological change is the best method. Historically speaking, it is not. You need to wipe these people out. It is highly expensive to do this. It costs lives it costs money it costs of our national conscience. But we must do it.
If we think about the Muslim hordes from the Middle Ages that wanted to invade Europe, they had to be confronted and turned back with military might.
Our leaders in Washington, and around the Western world, want to engage them with conversation and polite discourse. Frankly, Vladimir Putin is the only major world leader who has articulated what it takes to confront these cowards and cretans. It is a dark day when Putin is proposing a better engagement strategy than our current leadership.
What to do?
Destroy them and their families. Collateral damage must be accepted as part of the cost. Otherwise, our own civilian collateral damage will escalate beyond what we can bear. Dump the Geneva Convention protocols for terrorist groups. Find them and wipe them out. Western civilization is on the line. This is the job of a government. Not the place of the Church.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/
FWIW, these kinds of people want to see the world burn. They don't care about how it happens, they want to return us to the dark ages and destroy anything they disagree with...at the moment. It is entirely counter-humanity.
The West lacks the resolve to confront and defeat ISIS. Leaders like our current President believe ideological change is the best method. Historically speaking, it is not. You need to wipe these people out. It is highly expensive to do this. It costs lives it costs money it costs of our national conscience. But we must do it.
If we think about the Muslim hordes from the Middle Ages that wanted to invade Europe, they had to be confronted and turned back with military might.
Our leaders in Washington, and around the Western world, want to engage them with conversation and polite discourse. Frankly, Vladimir Putin is the only major world leader who has articulated what it takes to confront these cowards and cretans. It is a dark day when Putin is proposing a better engagement strategy than our current leadership.
What to do?
Destroy them and their families. Collateral damage must be accepted as part of the cost. Otherwise, our own civilian collateral damage will escalate beyond what we can bear. Dump the Geneva Convention protocols for terrorist groups. Find them and wipe them out. Western civilization is on the line. This is the job of a government. Not the place of the Church.
That is fantastic logic. "Well the problem wasn't the creation of a quagmire, it was leaving it."
Going into Iraq was in fact a huge problem and has done absolutely nothing for us. Unless, you think running up debt, wasting American lives and destabilizing an entire region to the point of anarchy is a good thing. Just how long do we have to stay there? Another decade? Forever?
Bush Sr. also predicted that entering Iraq was a mistake. It's why he didn't do it in the 90's. He had common sense.
Did you just propose genocide on a baptist message board?
Actually Bush had Iraq under control. The quagmire occured in prematurely leaving it.
Under control? You have got to be kidding me. I have lot of friends that would probably raise an eye brow with regards to your definition of "under control."
Destroyed essential services for utilities and the basics for life. Sectarian violence trying to fill the vacuum. Ineffective military and ineffective local police. Corrupt government at the local and national level.
Yep, totally under control.
Destroyed essential services for utilities and the basics for life. Sectarian violence trying to fill the vacuum. Ineffective military and ineffective local police. Corrupt government at the local and national level.
Yep, totally under control.
Further Saddam was slaughtering people left and right and trying to advance into other countries which is what started the whole mess. This liberal notion that somehow things were better under saddam is just delusional.
How should we respond to a group of people who are committed to generational mass genocide themselves?
And we didn't bat an eye while it was happening in the 90's post Desert Storm/Desert Shield. It was just post 9-11 nonsense that stoked the fire. There are atrocities similar to Saddam's reign of terror happening in parts of Africa but we aren't toppling those regimes for some reason. We didn't push Saddam back into Iraq in 2003 either. They were not on an imperialistic conquest.
Sigh....except the gulf ware from Bush's daddy was not over yet. At no time did anyone call an end to the war. Even before during and after 911 we were under a cease fire with Saddam. He continued to refuse to allow inspectors in. Also there is no accounting for what Clinton did to ignore what was going on in Iraq while his regime was in office. Liberals want to ignore reality and spend money on redistributing wealth.
What is with the liberal and redistributing wealth comment? You just like to toss in liberal all the time like it is some sort of an explanation. It's very odd. We didn't go into Iraq in 2003 to all of a sudden save the people. Also, we were able to negotiate a cease fire because there was a government to do that with. Let me know how negotiating a cease fire works out with ISIS.
They are a group of people interwoven between the citizens of the world that blend in with the populace. The sledgehammer approach is futile. You say collateral damage very casually but I suggest that you may want to put a face to the numbers you so flippantly dismiss. What it takes is information sharing amongst allied countries and precise targeting.
Internet Theologian
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I don't wholly agree with him, axe to grind, broad brushing (him)?
You're wasting your time. Leftist Bush haters will always be leftist Bush haters.
