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God allowed / commanded Satan to move David.

God allowed / commanded an evil spirit to entice Ahab.

Satan.
Who allowed / commanded Satan to sift Peter as wheat?

Satan.
Who allowed / commanded Satan to buffet Paul?

Satan.
Who allowed / commanded Satan to afflict Job?
" And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord." ( Job 1:12 ).

" Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil." ( Matthew 4:1 ).

 

If I may offer some advice, ITL?

Simply believe what the Bible says, instead of trying to reason through it ( Proverbs 3:5-7 ).
Subject your understanding to it, instead of subjecting it to your understanding.

 

Unknowable, and to some extent ... irrelevant.

Omniscient ... means that nothing happens that God does not know will happen, thus there can be no events that God has not planned for.

Omnipotent ... means that nothing happens that God does not either allow to happen or actively cause to happen. Where scripture is silent on distinguishing God’s active will (the things God causes) from his passive will (the things God allows to happen), all speculation is just a guess. In either case, the buck starts and stops with God for either causing or allowing everything that happens.

Not Perfect ... Since God is perfect, but man is not (and never was), it is hardly a stretch for God to plan on imperfect men to eventually act imperfectly. Thus irrespective of whether the specific details of the FALL were actively planned and caused by God or not, the inevitability that Man would eventually Fall was a metaphysical certainly. Imperfect human beings are incapable of living perfect lives, so the fall was certain to happen. Whether God “caused” it or simply “allowed” it is an inconsequential detail.

Personally, I lean towards God being the CAUSE of everything ... Sovereignty of God over Free Will of man ... but that is just my personal opinion.

 

I have not said anything about the redemption of angels. I do not believe they are redeemed.

The redemption of man created of the flesh and given a spiritual law is what destroys the power of the devil and also the devil himself.

Man was created in the manner he was created in order for the Son of God to be manifested as the Son of Man to destroy the devil and his works, because of his sin from the beginning.

That is how I understand what has and is transpiring.

 

I did.

To me, it left out quite a bit, and was in error in various parts.
I never saw the "Dark Crystal", so wouldn't know.

But I think that the video was very simplified and I don't think it did the actual word of God any justice, nor was it very well represented or even presented from an accurate understanding of it.
From my perspective, it was even worse than watching some of the 1950's and 60's biblical movies, and how they either left out large parts, or went as far as oversimplifying or outright changing some things.

In addition, I don't know if I'd use the term "Eastern Mysticism", but I think that they are not very far from it in their presentation.
The terms, "metaphysical" combined with "astral plane" and "material plane" are what came to mind almost immediately...

But the more I think about it, the more I agree with you.

 

I went to Sedona, Arizona last year. They had all these new age "portal" tours for people to go on astral trips. I was thankful to see a Bible Church was also on main street. It was such a stark reminder that God is found in Christ Jesus, not mystical experiences.
I also recognized where "Dr Strange" got the whole "portal" concept in the Marvel movie.
Thanks for the summaries on this video. I have met Christians from Columbia and Brazil who have shared that indigenous Roman Catholics in the Amazon often mix their pagan animism with Romanism in an occult practice where demonic spirits are called upon for mystical experiences. One asked me to pray for his mother who was caught in this twisted religion.

 

Yes.

The cross did not have to happen had Adam not sinned. There was a future in which Adam and Eve don't sin and that was God's ideal future. That's what he wanted. But he didn't get his will because of our sinful will. Nevertheless, that did not take him by surprise because Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world (Acts 15:18). Therefore the Lamb of God was foreordained before the foundation of the world (1Pe.1:20) to die on the tree to redeem us sinners.
And if that presentation offends one's sophisticated senses, it's because one has bought into a philosophical view of God rather than a scriptural one.

 

Isaiah 14:27 "For the LORD of hosts has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?

Adam and Eve did not thwart God's plan for mankind. As finite creatures they lacked the ability to do so. Even a flawed man like Job confessed as much:

Job 42:2 "I know that You can do all things, And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.

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A) Those verses have nothing to do with the matter at hand. They are relative to anything God has purposed to accomplish. He did not purpose to make Adam and Eve sin. That's blasphemous.
B) God will get what he desired in the end, out in Revelation 22, but the path there was not his ideal way. We made it longer and harder by our stubborn will. (Any parent can relate).
C) Every person that chooses to reject Christ and go to hell, eternally and irrevocably frustrates the will of God for them (1Timothy 2:4).

This is Bible. Not human philosophy.

 

It is you...making human choice equal to or greater than God's Sovereign authority.

 

You answered for me. Thank you.

 

Just plain ignorant. You must not be able to read and comprehend what this thread is about.
MB

 

I read and comprehend just fine.

 

Here you use a verse about Assyria that has nothing to do with the OP

Here you present a verse that isn't translated correctly.
KJV. Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
What you posted Must be a mistake or a Calvinist Bible.

MB

 

Then why your ignorant reply?
MB

 

Perhaps it is you who doesn't understand my reply.