When did John the Baptist Get saved?

Mt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

You take the average person who has spend their whole life living according to the Old covenant, then attempt to indoctrinate them with the New covenant, it will be more destructive than constructive.

I think God allowed a "transitional period" between the OT and NT for the average person, those who could/should have made the change however will still be held accountable.

The Generation preceeding Jesus birth was gone before the destruction came on the generation who was born with Jesus.

 

Friends,

The following statement is a sample of one's
view who can't directly deal with a question:

Quote:
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"The Generation preceeding Jesus birth was gone before the destruction came on the generation who was born with Jesus".
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What in the world does this statement have to
do with the question of whether or when John
the Baptist was saved?

This statement reflects the contradiction of trying to teach that men are saved by TWO Gospels, one taught by Jesus and another taught by Paul. Me4Him has TWO separate peoples of God, i.e., one before the tribulation and another
during the tribulation. He can't recognize the
TWO are ONE Body/Bride of Christ, the Lamb of
God. They should have separate destinies if he
was consistent.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

John the Baptist coming in the spirit of Elias only means that he came in the same spirit of that prophet, not that he is that prophet, or dontcha think Jesus knows the difference between John and Elijah?

You added all of the above, which most of it except Scripture is untrue. Jesus said he was that prophet was Jesus bearing false witness?

 

Lu 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

We have to be "born again" to be "filled by the spirit", but John didn't need this "Second Birth", by the Spirit, he had it straight from the womb".

John wasn't a "run of the mill" person, he was "Special".

Have you ever heard the song, "I have a birth I can't remember and one I can't forget"???

 

Well, at least we got them going all the way back to Zacharias and John as a child. If we continue on maybe we have some converts. I think we already do have a couple for now they are saying they had faith in Christ before He was born. At least it is a start.

 

I don't think most people realize that all this "stuff of the world" mystics, reincarnation, Hindu, Buddist, Sun worship are all "preversions" of Biblical truths,

Neither man/Satan has ever had an "original Idea", they just take one of God's ideas and "twist it around" until the "truth" (Jesus) is twisted out of it, but every belief in the world is rooted in the scripture.

Egypt worshipped the natural "SUN" that "lights the world",

Rather than the "SON", the Spiritual "Light of the world".

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the "creature" (natural things/Satan) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

You are denying the Scripture is borderline heresy!!

(The following is the Holy Scripture and what God said about John the Baptist.)

KJMatt.17

"10": And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

"11": And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

"12": But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

"13": Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.


John, chapter 1
"32": And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

"33": And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

"34": And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Luke, chapter 1
13": But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

"14": And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

"15": For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

"16": And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

"17": And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

 

Oh, by the way Jesus did say Elias had come.
"12": But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

"13": Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.


According to blackbird's quote even he believes that John was saved when he baptized the Lord.


quote:
Originally posted by blackbird:
There's only one way to "get the faith"

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

and

How shall they hear without a preacher?

Somewhere---some preacher of righteousness opened the word from the Word(Scripture) directed toward John and that faith came through the preached word of God.

Since Zacharias was one of the ordained Priests of that era---the odds would be great that John's faith came through the preaching of his dad.

[ May 16, 2006, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: Brother Bob ]

 

More than likely John was saved under the old economy. However he lived during the transition and got to see the fulfillment of his faith in the coming Messiah.

 

More than likely....Somewhere---some preacher.

Why not just accept the word of the Lord?

"14": And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

"15": For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

He shall be great in the sight of the Lord at his birth, accept it, it is the word of God.

 

Six months before the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ---Elizabeth gave birth to John

Zaccarius told the crowd around him "His name will be John"----not Elias---not Elijah---John!!

John was the product of a fallen race into sin---cursed by Adam's fall---and was in need of salvation.

Brother Bob---if you read my posts --- you will note that I believe that John---at some point in his life---repented of his sins and received by faith the truth preached unto him concerning the coming Messiah.

There was a 30 year time span between John's birth and the day he dipped Jesus in River Jordan. Somewhere inbetween the time he dipped Jesus and his birth---he had a "born again" experience!

John was "great in the sight of the Lord from his birth"---thats true---I'm not denying that---but if you read through the book of Judges you will note that the Angel of the Lord called Gideon a "mighty man of valor"----long before Gideon even picked up a two edged sword!

Samuel was going to be used by God---even from his mother's womb

Cyrus was a man called upon to rescue the people of Israel---and he was as "lost as a Billy Goat"---but yet God used him.

 

blackbird; That is exactly what I said that you had said. Nothing more and nothing less.


Zaccarius told the crowd around him "His name will be John"----not Elias---not Elijah---John!!

(But Jesus called him Elias, do you have a problem with that?)

 

But if he were Elias in the flesh---he should not have doubted who Jesus was while he was stuffed up in Herod's prison like an Eagle in a Canary cage----what was Elias doing doubting???

What you're saying is----you are saying that John 3:16 has no application in the life of John---what Jesus told Nicodemus---was irrelivant to John.

What the Apostle Paul said in Romans 3:23 and in Romans 6:23 did not apply to John?

answer please---is that what you're saying???

 

23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Apparently that is what you are saying if he was saved when he baptized Jesus and I do think that is what you said.

You keep asking me if he were Elias but I am not the one to ask, Ask Jesus for He said he was.

Did he doubt in prison, you said he did not me. He was inquiring when he heard about the doings of the Lord if it was really the Lord doing it for he was locked in prison.

He already had the Holy Ghost, He already was great in the eyes of God from birth, I am saying John the Baptist was not like you or I but was a special person sent to make ready a prepared people for the coming of the Lord. Notice, make ready a prepared people, if he still had to be saved by Jesus then he was in no condition to make ready a prepared people. If he was already great in the eyes of God and sent by God himself, Yes I say he was already saved and had a sinful body but had not sinned, unless he sinned before receiveing the Holy Ghost in his mothers womb. Don't know how that could be. You will not accept the words of the Lord himself. Don't lay it on me, lay it on the Lord for that is what He told me.

Why?? did the Lord say; none greater than John the Baptist had ever been born of woman and there were two who went to Heaven I know who did not die, so why is it so great a thing for another to be born that way. If two went to Heaven without dying and a greater one than they was born now.

I have to go but will respond when I get back.