Sorry you cannot justify using the word idiot.
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Where Does Faith Come From?
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Sorry you cannot justify using the word idiot.
Reformed1689
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Scripture alone? No.
So you believe that scripture is insufficient?
Reformed1689
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To bring one to belief without God Himself? Yes. But you are trying to trap me and twist what I am saying. The text of Scripture alone is not enough to bring one to belief. It has to be granted by the Father.
Yet another misrepresentation of my position. Did I say "only saved?" Nope so a strawman argument, a fiction, a deflection.
Did I say salvation by grace was the gift of God? Yes.
Being saved by grace through faith means our faith was credited as righteousness before we were not only saved, but (2 Thessalonians 2:13) we were chosen through faith in the truth, as determined by God alone.
atpollard
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You are a Calvinist ... that makes you like 3/5 of a Christian [reference to Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution].
Reformed1689
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We have, many, many, times.
Did I say all saved were drawn by the Father? Yes. So a false inference that my position differed.
My understanding of the biblical order of salvation differs from the bogus view of Calvinism.
Salvation by grace is the gift of God as taught in Ephesians.
The unsaved do nothing to merit or earn salvation. Faith is not works.
And the faith of the lost does not save, only when God credits that faith, or not, does He alone save them.
Reformed1689
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Reformed1689
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So I have you on record as finding that scripture is insufficient to bring one to belief. My view of the Holy Spirit inspired scripture is higher than that. Your view of the HS inspired scripture is lower than mine. I find that the HS inspired scripture is sufficient as the HS inspired scripture makes clear.
I also find that the HS inspired scripture has power to salvation. (Hebrews 4:12; Romans 1:16; James 1:18) That creation itself is enough to convict and show that God exists. (Romans 1:19-21)
What I see coming from Augustinians is that there is always very little to no mention of the power of scripture in the conversion and salvation of man. You find it insufficient ( your words) and it is all but completely ignored in yalls posts on this topic of salvation. Since all of this is true I find that yalls view of scripture is low.
This, and not the doctrine itself, is the underlying problem. It is a heart issue.
Prove it from scripture that "otherwise it is a work". What I find in scripture is that which is considered as a work is always a reference to the OT law. I can find no example (as different from a reference) to what you are describing here.
That's it. That's all you got?
I did not make that claim, I indicated the Greek grammar does not include "through faith" in the gift.
On and on they post falsehoods. God credited Abraham's faith, referred to as "his faith" as righteousness. Thus the faith God credits (or not) is not instilled by irresistible grace, because it is the faith of the lost person.
As with many other aspects of Calvinism, the Gift of Faith via Irresistible Grace is a fiction, with not support whatsoever in scripture, and certainly not in Ephesians 2:8-9.
Yet another falsehood, another claim unsupported by scripture. Salvation is through the lost's faith, as credited by God. Romans 4
More 'bodacious faith':
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And the servant was healed in that hour. Mt 8
How about where Jesus says "your faith has saved you?" Luke 7:50
On and on they post one falsehood after another.
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