Where does God's Wrath Go?

[Eternally Grateful]

I think the difference is how we place "the wages if sin".

I view the "wages of sin" as the consequences of sin (for "sin begats death").
And I view it as absolute. We sin, therefore we die.
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is life.
"Although we die yet shall we live"
The "gift" has removed the "sting" of death.

I believe the Second Death is the judgment against the wicked.

The reason I do not believe that the wages if sin is spiritual death is that nowhere is it offered in the Bible that men die spiritually.

you will have to explain what kind of death we had then.

Ephesians 2: 2
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Ephesians 2: 5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

what kind of death was this (it is not physical death)

Paul tells us that first comes natural life, second comes spiritual life.
We are spiritually dead if we have not been "born of the Spirit".

Yes.. which is the wage of sin.

But yes, I agree that physical death is a product of sin rather than God's judgment against sin.
I believe God's judgment is the "Second Death".

when Jesus said they are condemned already, (john 3) what is this condemnation?

 

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