Brightfame52
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We didn't misunderstand Eph 2:1-3 and as I stated earlier, i dont believe you understand what you discussing, it has no rhythm to me.
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Where does God's Wrath Go?
- Thread starter JonC
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Yes you did.
You read your assumptions into the passage. When God says that we (who are "numbered among the elect" were once "dead in our trespasses" you read into that verse that sime who are dead in their trespasses are "numbered among the elect".
You could have avoided the mistake by reading the passages that I provided (the ones stating that the ekect are the ones who believe and are alive in the Spirit).
How can somebody be "dead in their trespasses" and believe, be alive in the Spirit, Christ living in them?
Brightfame52
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You sounding more and more like you dont understand what you saying.
Believe me, I absolutely get that you do not understand (I did not expect otherwise). To some God's Word is foolishness.
Brightfame52
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Yes sir because I cant tell what you trying to say
Yes, I know you do not understand.
I was not trying to say anything. I actually said it.
What I said was that Christians understand they were once lost, dead in their trespasses.
And I said the Bible never calls somebody that is lost "numbered among the elect" or "elect".
Those are very easy statements to understand. But I understand you do not comprehend. I cannot help you there.
The Spirit reveals the truth of Scripture. This does not mean truths not in Scripture. God opens our minds to His Word. I cannot open your mind to God's Word. I can only point to Him.
Do you believe that "elect" equates to belief and being spiritually alive (2 Cor 13, 2 Pet 1) or do you believe tgat the ekect can be "dead in their trespasses"?
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Brightfame52
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Ive already discussed this
Lol...you think so?
Anyway, just like every other person, have to choose to trust God or man. People will have their own ideas and interpretations, but these shoukd actually be interpretations (your position is not interpretation).
You may think that God's Word itself is shallow and in need of expounding. But the truth is God's Word is deep. The Spirit illuminates and guides the believer. Sure we interpret things different because we "see as through a glass dimly".
You cannot lean on theory, trying your best to cram Scrioture into that theory to make it "biblical" and expect to discern God's Word. You need to trust God and simply believe His Word knowing the Spirit will guide you as you go.
Anyway, you have made your choice and I have made mine. I will trust God and lean on His Word. Good luck with your theories.
(Me "shaking off the dust").
Anyway...
The point of this thread is that God's wrath does not go anywhere.
At Judgment the wicked will suffer God's wrath.
The righteousness will never suffer God's wrath.
Whatever we suffer we can know that it is not God's wrath because Jesus suffered without it being God's wrath.
And, whenever God forsakes us to suffering we can know that He will not abandon us but will deliver us, and that even the things we endure will be for the good because Jesus was forsaken to suffer but God did not abandon Him, God delivered Him, and this was the predetermined plan of God.
The point of this thread is that God's wrath does not go anywhere.
At Judgment the wicked will suffer God's wrath.
The righteousness will never suffer God's wrath.
Whatever we suffer we can know that it is not God's wrath because Jesus suffered without it being God's wrath.
And, whenever God forsakes us to suffering we can know that He will not abandon us but will deliver us, and that even the things we endure will be for the good because Jesus was forsaken to suffer but God did not abandon Him, God delivered Him, and this was the predetermined plan of God.