Where does God's Wrath Go?

[JonC]

There are an accumulation of verses throughout the Scripture that hint at it.

What confirms for me that Christ took our wrath is that Gal. 3:13 tells us that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us.

Then in Rom. 4:15 Paul tells us the Law works wrath. Christ was made a curse for us according to the Law that condemned us, so the curse brought death because we can't keep the Law. Christ was made that curse that carried the wrath of God.

I know it's confusing, but that is the way I see it.

I disagree. But I guess people see hints based on what they already believe.

For example, when I read those verses I do not see a hint that Jesus absorbed Gid's wratg but that He was made like us, but without sin. The Law works wrath, but I do not see Jesus as suffering under the Law (I see Jesus as fulfilling the Law, thereby canceling that certificate of debt against those under the Law). I see Jesus suffering under the bondage of sin and death because of our sin.

But where you end usually depends on where you start, so that can color what we see as "hints" or "implied".

 

[Charlie24]

I disagree. But I guess people see hints based on what they already believe.

For example, when I read those verses I do not see a hint that Jesus absorbed Gid's wratg but that He was made like us, but without sin. The Law works wrath, but I do not see Jesus as suffering under the Law (I see Jesus as fulfilling the Law, thereby canceling that certificate of debt against those under the Law). I see Jesus suffering under the bondage of sin and death because of our sin.

But where you end usually depends on where you start, so that can color what we see as "hints" or "implied".

I can see that the curse of the Law carried God's wrath, and Christ was made that curse.

That's all I need to know.

 

[JonC]

I can see that the curse of the Law carried God's wrath, and Christ was made that curse.

That's all I need to know.

I do not see that. First, the Law brings wrath in that it highlights human sin (kinda like a school teacher). But the curse here is different. It shows that Jesus came under sin and death (our curse). The Law taught this as well (Jesus was hung on a tree).

We have to remember that there is a difference between sin and transgression the Law. Every transgression is a sin, but not all sins are transgressions. Sin was in the world even when the Law was not.

 

[Charlie24]

I do not see that. First, the Law brings wrath in that it highlights human sin (kinda like a school teacher). But the curse here is different. It shows that Jesus came under sin and death (our curse). The Law taught this as well (Jesus was hung on a tree).

We have to remember that there is a difference between sin and transgression the Law. Every transgression is a sin, but not all sins are transgressions. Sin was in the world even when the Law was not.

LOL, I'm not going to argue, JonC, I can only see you reasoning your way out of 1+1=2.

Doctrine is determined by Scripture explaining Scripture, and I see a clear explanation on this.

 

[JonC]

LOL, I'm not going to argue, JonC, I can only see you reasoning your way out of 1+1=2.

Doctrine is determined by Scripture explaining Scripture, and I see a clear explanation on this.

No, not reasoning out but definitely interpreting differently.

I do not believe Jesus becoming a curse for us is a curse under the Law but under sin. The reason is Jesus did not come to redeem people from the Law but from sin and death. I believe Paul makes this clear in Romans 5.

I am not arguing against you. I took it as you offering your interpretation which, perhaps mistakenly, I saw as an invitation for me to offer mine as well.