Originally posted by DHK:
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Tell me, 3AngelsMom, Does the spirit that dwells in you bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God? Can you answer that truthfully?
Absolutely! The Spirit that dwells in me is the Holy Spirit, by whom I am sealed UNTIL the day of redemption, which is the resurrection on the last day. There is no doubt in my mind as to this subject.
Have you been born again? If so, how? What does it mean to you to be born again? At the time of the new birth (which has nothing to do with baptism), God’s Spirit comes and joins with our spirit, and He gives us eternal life, and forgives us our sin.
To be born again: To have MY own nature 'killed' with the power of the HS, so that I can live in Christ having put to death the 'flesh' that would control me, along with it's desires. I consider the day that I surrendered to Christ, when I gave Him full control of my life and mind when I was born again. I was shown through the Bible and the Holy Spirit that I was a sinner, and I sought God for forgiveness of those sins. I have been given the PROMISE of eternal life. I am not immortal now. I can die at any moment. When Christ returns to earth He will give me a new body that will be immortal. Right now nothing in me is immortal.
“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son hath not life.” It is as simple as that. Either you have life eternal or you don’t. Either you are saved or you are not. Either you know that you are going to Heaven when you die or you do not. There is no sitting on the fence here. If you don’t know, you are not saved, and do not understand salvation.
You are again making judgements! I have eternal life, waiting for me at the last day. I am NOT eternal now. Neither are you. Being 'saved' does not mean 'spent'. I have not received my reward yet. Neither have you.
Jesus plainly said:
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
--Notice the verb tenses here. He that believes HAS (present tense) everlasting life, shall not come into condemnation (never), IS (present tense) passed from death unto life.
I have eternal life. I have been passed from death to life. I am immortal. I have God’s Spirit dwelling within me. Not only that when God’s Spirit came and entered me, He made my Spirit alive in Christ:
Eph.2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
--Perhaps this is your problem. You are still dead in your sins. Your spirit is dead (i.e. inoperable, not annihilated). But when you get saved God’s Holy Spirit comes and makes it alive. The word “quicken” means alive. God made alive those that were dead. They were dead spiritually—separated from God by their sins. When they were born again, the Holy Spirit made alive their spirits, made them alive spiritually. They too became immortal.
DHK
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps, you need to keep your judgements to yourself. The measure you use on me will be measured unto YOU.
Back to the topic though, being made alive in your spirit does not make you immortal. Your body could die at any moment, and according to the Bible, if your body dies, it has lost it's spirit, or breath of life and the body goes back to the earth and the Spirit or breath, goes back to God.
Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man
became a living soul.
'breath of life'-
05397 n@shamah {nesh-aw-maw'}
AV - breath 17, blast 3, spirit 2, inspiration 1, souls 1; 24
1) breath, spirit 1a) breath (of God) 1b) breath (of man) 1c) every breathing thing 1d) spirit (of man)
Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV)
7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the
spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
'spirit'- (ruwach), breath, wind, blast.
Job 27:3 (KJV)
3All the while my
breath is in me, and the
spirit of God is in my nostrils;
'breath'- (nashama)-breath
'spirit'-(ruwach)- breath, wind, blast.
Psalm 146:3 (KJV)
3Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4His
breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth;
in that very day his thoughts perish.
'breath'- (ruwach) breath, wind, blast (note same as spirit in last verse)
Note: In the day he dies HIS THOUGHTS perish
Perish- 06 'abad {aw-bad'}
AV - perish 98, destroy 62, lose 10, fail 2, surely 2, utterly 2, broken 1, destruction 1, escape 1, flee 1, spendeth 1, take 1, undone 1, void 1; 184
1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)
15Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Note: the PRESENT TENSE of the verb HATH. That means NOT YOU, JUST HIM, HATH IMMORTALITY. That means RIGHT NOW He is the ONLY one who is immortal. HATH. RIGHT NOW.
Romans 2:7 (KJV)
7To
them who by patient continuance in
well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:11For there is no respect of persons with God.
Let's see, this was a LONG time ago, and they were SEEKING immortality. Who was? Those who were ALREADY serving God. THE SAVED. So if they were ALREADY saved, why were they seeking immortality and eternal life? If they already have it why seek it? HMMMM
1 Corinthians 15:51 (KJV)
51Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all
sleep, but we shall
all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and
we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible
must put on incorruption, and this
mortal must put on immortality. 54So
when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Lets see, at the last trump, THEN we will put on immortality, THEN we will be changed. ALL will be changed. None of us are already immortal, otherwise why would we need to change?
Note: the 8 instances of the word 'shall' those are all FUTURE tense.
Psalm 115:17 (KJV)
17The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Those who are 'dead', or not alive in their bodies anymore, DO NOT praise the Lord. Now, if you die, and you go straight to Heaven, don't you think you will be praising Him? This verse likens the dead people to those who are mute. The mute do not speak just as the dead do not speak.
Psalm 6:5 (KJV)
5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Those dead do not remember anything, nor give thanks. If they were in heaven, don't you think they would remember and give thanks?
Job 19:25 (KJV)
25For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
HMMM, sounds like this person, Job, knows that worms will eat his body, and that in the last day he will be resurrected with a new body to see God. Doesn't sound like he believed in dualism.
Ezekiel 18:4 (KJV)
4Behold, all
souls are mine; as the
soul of the father, so also the
soul of the son is mine: the
soul that sinneth, it shall die.
'soul' 05315 nephesh {neh'-fesh}
AV -
soul 475, life 117, person 29, mind 15, heart 15, creature 9, body 8....
This is the same 'soul' used in Genesis 2:7 when God made Adam a 'living soul' out of dirt and 'spirit' or breath as it is called there.
The SOUL shall die. DIE. Why is that a confusing term for some. If a bug dies what is it? DIRT. The same breath that makes you alive makes that bug alive, and when you die, you too return to DIRT.
Romans 6:23 (KJV)
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The wage (payment) is death. YOU are saved, and again, you have NOT spent that 'redemption' yet.
2 Timothy 4:7 (KJV)
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there
is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge,
shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
It is laid up, or put away, 'saved', and God 'shall' (there's that future tense again) give it to us at THAT day. Which day? The day He appears.
Revelation 22:12 (KJV)
12And, behold, I come quickly; and
my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work
shall be.
IF Jesus has the reward with Him, how could you already have it? (uh oh, there's that shall again)
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead
know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the
memory of them is forgotten.
They KNOW nothing, and have no memory. They DO NOT HAVE their reward.
'For the living know that they shall die.'
Perhaps, that is YOUR problem, you don't think you will die.
You have been duped by the first lie ever told to mankind.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman,
Ye shall not surely die:
But what did God tell them?
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.
Now let's compare those:
Ye shall not surely die -SATAN
thou shalt surely die. -GOD
Notice that Satan added just ONE word to God's and started every bit of this doctrine that you hold so tightly to.
That's all it takes. Just a little false to make the WHOLE thing a lie.
God ALONE HAS immortality.
If you cannot dismiss this, THE DOCTRINE IS FALSE.
God Bless
