Sinners sin. Sinners are accustomed to sinning. That is the teaching of the verse. The three illustrations are parallel truths. What one teaches the other teaches.
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Where is it in the Bible
- Thread starter Moriah
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Sinners sin. Sinners are accustomed to sinning. That is the teaching of the verse. The three illustrations are parallel truths. What one teaches the other teaches.
The scripture does not say all are accustomed to sinning. The Bible does not say all love darkness instead of light. That is not in the Bible. That is a manufactured belief.
There are three parallel truths set forth in that verse. Unless you are willing to deny or change either the teaching of the first two to fit your ideas of the last statement, or change the teaching of the last statement to fit what you think the first two are teaching, you are left only with one option. That option is that all three teach the same thing. All have natures that from birth onward do not change. Whether they be black skin or spots on the skin, or sinful nature, they will not change throughout their entire lifetime. And all three grow accustomed to it. Without twisting the first two or the last one, you cannot deviate from this one truth, for all three teach it.The scripture does not say all are accustomed to sinning. The Bible does not say all love darkness instead of light. That is not in the Bible. That is a manufactured belief.
There are three parallel truths set forth in that verse. Unless you are willing to deny or change either the teaching of the first two to fit your ideas of the last statement, or change the teaching of the last statement to fit what you think the first two are teaching, you are left only with one option. That option is that all three teach the same thing. All have natures that from birth onward do not change. Whether they be black skin or spots on the skin, or sinful nature, they will not change throughout their entire lifetime. And all three grow accustomed to it.
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The scripture is about those who are accustomed to doing evil.
Side note: I am not a Pelagius.
The theological doctrine propounded by Pelagius, a British monk, and condemned as heresy by the Roman Catholic Church in A.D. 416. It denied original sin and affirmed the ability of humans to be righteous by the exercise of free will.
http://www.answers.com/topic/pelagianism
It is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism
Pelagianism derives its name from Pelagius who lived in the 5th century A.D. and was a teacher in Rome, though he was British by birth. It is a heresy dealing with the nature of man. Pelagius, whose family name was Morgan, taught that people had the ability to fulfill the commands of God by exercising the freedom of human will apart from the grace of God. In other words, a person's free will is totally capable of choosing God and/or to do good or bad without the aid of Divine intervention. Pelagianism teaches that man's nature is basically good. Thus it denies original sin, the doctrine that we have inherited a sinful nature from Adam.
http://carm.org/pelagianism
There are three sources. The last one by Carm, is an evangelical apologetical site. Note that all three state the same thing--the same beliefs that you hold to:
1. A denial of original sin, or the sin nature of man.
2. The assertion that man's nature is basically good.
3. The denial that we inherit from Adam a sinful nature.
Those are the fundamental beliefs of one who holds to the heresy of Pelagianism. That is what you have been spreading on this board. These are your beliefs, and they have been outside the realm of Christianity now for how long? At least the fifth century, if not before then.
I explain it. You have no explanation; only denial. Your denial thus means nothing.The scripture is about those who are accustomed to doing evil.
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You show that you just cannot stop yourself.
I explain it.
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The Bible says those who are accustomed to evil.
You don't want to believe the Bible and that seems to be obvious here.The Bible says those who are accustomed to evil.
The three statements are parallel.
All Ethiopians have black skin.
All leopards have spots on their skin.
All sinners commit sin and are accustomed to it: no one excepted.
The three statements are parallel.
All Ethiopians have black skin.
All leopards have spots on their skin.
All sinners commit sin and are accustomed to it: no one excepted.
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All Ethiopians have black skin.
All leopards have spots on their skin.
Those accustomed to doing evil.
You add to the word of God and change it. You say, "All sinners commit sin and are accustomed to it: no one excepted." The scripture says plainly, "Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil."
Do not lean to the left or to the right of God's word. Do not add to it or subtract. Do not go beyond what is written.
I wasn't quoting or reading God's Word; I was explaining or expounding on it. You don't like the explanation, have no way of refuting it, so simply deny it.All Ethiopians have black skin.
All leopards have spots on their skin.
Those accustomed to doing evil.
You add to the word of God and change it. You say, "All sinners commit sin and are accustomed to it: no one excepted." The scripture says plainly, "Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil."
Do not lean to the left or to the right of God's word. Do not add to it or subtract. Do not go beyond what is written.
The scripture does not say all are accustomed to sinning. The Bible does not say all love darkness instead of light. That is not in the Bible. That is a manufactured belief.
Despite the argument against me, my beliefs stand concerning Jeremiah 13 and John 3. Not all are accustomed to sinning. Not all love darkness instead of light.
I wasn't quoting or reading God's Word;
I know you were not, and that is my point.
It was Jesus that said: "Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil."Despite the argument against me, my beliefs stand concerning Jeremiah 13 and John 3. Not all are accustomed to sinning. Not all love darkness instead of light.
What exceptions did he make?
It was Jesus that said: "Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil."
What exceptions did he make?
John 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."
Not much of one. You will have to explain it to me.I know you were not, and that is my point.
I was explaining God's Word to you. Do you want further explanation? Do you want me to send you a commentary? What do you want?
Not much of one. You will have to explain it to me.
I was explaining God's Word to you. Do you want further explanation? Do you want me to send you a commentary? What do you want?
Oh wonderful, you are now asking what I want. I want you to move on.
That would only leave you more confused. I cannot do that. You need help.Oh wonderful, you are now asking what I want. I want you to move on.
I was offering my help to get you out of the cult of Pelagianism; to see your heretical view in adopting this view of Scripture. It is named after a man for a reason. You are following the theology of a man that is a declared heretic. You need help.
saturneptune
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Moriah,
I have been on this board over seven years, and have had several heated debates. However, most went beyond the third grade level. I have never seen such a total misunderstanding of basic Christianity and a lack of common sense as you have expressed in this one thread. Your comments transcend any differences between God's sovereignty and man's free will.
When you are at the point you need to make fun of my posted name (based on a hobby of mine called astronomy), you have really lost it.
I have been on this board over seven years, and have had several heated debates. However, most went beyond the third grade level. I have never seen such a total misunderstanding of basic Christianity and a lack of common sense as you have expressed in this one thread. Your comments transcend any differences between God's sovereignty and man's free will.
When you are at the point you need to make fun of my posted name (based on a hobby of mine called astronomy), you have really lost it.
The Bible teaches that the carnal mindset is at war with God and will not subject itself to God's Law - Rom. 8:7 "Neither indeed can be"
The Bible teaches that the carnal mind is incapable of understanding spiritual things - 1 Cor. 2:14 "Neither can he know them"
The Bible teaches that other than Jesus Christ there is "no flesh" not one human being that God regards as "good" or "righteous" in "all the world" - Rom. 3:10-11, 19-20.
The Bible teaches that no man has ability to come to Christ in faith except it is given unto him by the Father - John 6:64-65. "No man CAN come to me except..."
The Bible teaches that there is nothing "good" in the flesh (Rom. 7:18).
The Bible teaches that men come into the world condemned already because they love darkness and hate the light and will not come to the light (Jn. 3:18-20).
The Bible teaches that man is as incapable of changing his inclination to evil as the lepord is incapable of changing his spots and the Ethiopion is incapble of changing the color of his skin as all these things are characteristic of each from birth by nature - Jer. 13:23
The Bible teaches that all men are sinners by nature from the womb - Isa. 48:8; Psa. 51:3; Job 14:1-4; 15:14; 25:23; etc.
However, you are not interested in the scriptures at all. You are simply so full of venom against the truth and you simply want an opportunity to vent your venom regardless of what the Scriptures teach.
GE:
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