Who changed the sabbath?

[Jason1]

Who changed the sabbath? Who changed the sabbath?
"I," said the pope. "Are we Jews?-- goodness nope!
We live by faith, love, sacraments and hope.
'Twas I, 'twas I, 'twas I, O!"

Who changed the sabbath? Who changed the sabbath?
"I," said Magelllon,"without that much yellin',
We sailed into yesterday across the world, I'm tellin'!
'Twas I, 'twas I, 'twas I, O!"

Who changed the sabbath? Who changed the sabbath?
"I," said Gordon Cooper, "the flight I had was super!
A sunset every hour makes each '7th day' a blooper.
'Twas I, 'twas I, 'twas I, O!"

Who changed the sabbath? Who changed the sabbath?
"I," said the Son of Man. "Do good always, the best you can.
On a sabbath I healed a paralytic, and was condemned by many a critic.
I told them my Father works till now-- they tried to stir a violent row.
My disciples picked and ate some corn, but on sabbath that was met with scorn.
So 'why?' you ask, 'is there such a command?'--To rest man's body as he works the land.
But if it's the day that's your accord-- my Father and I work on that day... of which I am Lord.
'Twas I, 'twas I, 'twas I, O!"

Nice jest except for the blasphemy!

Yeshua didn't change the sabbath. He kept it just as His Father told him to. Anyone following a lawless Jesus is following the wrong guy.

The catholic church did try to change it and duped over a billion people into disobedience. It is their "mark" and they stand in opposition to the Most High.

 

[The Biblicist]

Of coarse eternal life is a gift, that isn't even in question. What it takes to be in His favor is what is in question.

This makes no sense! Can you have eternal life and not be in his favor? If you can't have eternal life without being in his favor and that is defined by pleasing him by your works, then it is not a "gift" but it is merited by remaining in his favor by works.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!

Obedience is the basics

Jerked out of context. What in the world is being described in verse 22 if it is not good works all done "in your name"? Their "many mighty works" did not keep them in his favor. They are called workers "of iniquity" because they attempted to enter heaven on the combination of faith ("Lord, Lord" plus their own works ("have we not done"). Look at the parable that concludes this sermon. There is no difference in the houses (life of works) but the difference is the foundation upon which those houses are built. That foundation is none other than Jesus Christ and his finished works that satisifed both the righteousness of the law and its penalty against his people (1 Cor. 3:11). What is it in the context that constitutes "doing the desire of my Father"? First it is a state of being or condition "Blessed ARE" (Mt. 5) - born again state. Second, it is having a righteousness that exceeds the best of religious men (Mt. 5:20) but equals the best of God (Mt. 5:46). Third, it is that righteousness received through new birth (Mt. 5) being manifested in the daily life as evidence of salvation, evidence of having been built upon the rock. Jason, you don't even know the abc's of Biblical sin or salvation and you need to stop trying to teach what you simply don't know and listen.

 

[Adonia]

You really don't make any sense because you are catholic yet proclaim rabbinical authority based on faulty assumptions. I know catholicism is just perverted judaism, but you can't claim the truth of both.

This same authority was given to the Universal (Catholic) Christian Church. God makes a broad pronouncement and His chosen leaders on earth fill out the details. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, so yes both are true - each within it's own time.

 

[Adonia]

Nice jest except for the blasphemy!

Yeshua didn't change the sabbath. He kept it just as His Father told him to. Anyone following a lawless Jesus is following the wrong guy.

The catholic church did try to change it and duped over a billion people into disobedience. It is their "mark" and they stand in opposition to the Most High.

The change was accepted by all of Christendom. It was only over a thousand years later that heretics arose to say something different.

 

[Yeshua1]

Then the church also isn't in covenant and also not His people...

No,m rather that the Church is not under the Sabbath now, but under the Lord Day, as they net and assembled on Sunday!

 

[Revmitchell]

Nice jest except for the blasphemy!

Yeshua didn't change the sabbath. He kept it just as His Father told him to. Anyone following a lawless Jesus is following the wrong guy.

The catholic church did try to change it and duped over a billion people into disobedience. It is their "mark" and they stand in opposition to the Most High.

So are you saying if we do not follow the OT sabbath we are lost and without God?

 

[Alcott]

Yeshua didn't change the sabbath. He kept it just as His Father told him to.

And how was that? To heal on the sabbath? To instruct the healed man to carry his pallet on the sabbath? To "see the faith" of those who chopped a big hole in somebody's roof on the sabbath?

 

[Jason1]

This same authority was given to the Universal (Catholic) Christian Church. God makes a broad pronouncement and His chosen leaders on earth fill out the details. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, so yes both are true - each within it's own time.

Actually neither is true... All based upon a lie.

 

[Jason1]

And how was that? To heal on the sabbath? To instruct the healed man to carry his pallet on the sabbath? To "see the faith" of those who chopped a big hole in somebody's roof on the sabbath?

Yeshua commanded him to carry it in opposition to their oral law not to do it. Picking up something light is not work, but the pharisees deemed it was.

 

[Jason1]

So are you saying if we do not follow the OT sabbath we are lost and without God?

Very possibly. The churches are in rebellion against the command of YHVH and punishment follows defiance.

Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Jason1]

This makes no sense! Can you have eternal life and not be in his favor? If you can't have eternal life without being in his favor and that is defined by pleasing him by your works, then it is not a "gift" but it is merited by remaining in his favor by works.



Jerked out of context. What in the world is being described in verse 22 if it is not good works all done "in your name"? Their "many mighty works" did not keep them in his favor. They are called workers "of iniquity" because they attempted to enter heaven on the combination of faith ("Lord, Lord" plus their own works ("have we not done"). Look at the parable that concludes this sermon. There is no difference in the houses (life of works) but the difference is the foundation upon which those houses are built. That foundation is none other than Jesus Christ and his finished works that satisifed both the righteousness of the law and its penalty against his people (1 Cor. 3:11). What is it in the context that constitutes "doing the desire of my Father"? First it is a state of being or condition "Blessed ARE" (Mt. 5) - born again state. Second, it is having a righteousness that exceeds the best of religious men (Mt. 5:20) but equals the best of God (Mt. 5:46). Third, it is that righteousness received through new birth (Mt. 5) being manifested in the daily life as evidence of salvation, evidence of having been built upon the rock. Jason, you don't even know the abc's of Biblical sin or salvation and you need to stop trying to teach what you simply don't know and listen.

"Their works" yes. YHVH's commands - no. There is a big difference.

Iniquity = sin = breaking torah (1 john 3:4).

Jesus is the foundation because he is the living word (torah is the foundation also - same thing).

I'm not the one taking these out of context, but applying the proper interpretation of what sin is.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath is still on Saturday - we simply worship on Sunday

That is a true statement in all likelihood you are doing as you say.

 

[Jason1]

That is a true statement

So do you simply rest from all your labors on the 7th day sabbath then if it is true?

I use sunday as one of my main work days as they did back then.

 

[Alcott]

Yeshua commanded him to carry it in opposition to their oral law not to do it. Picking up something light is not work, but the pharisees deemed it was.

Just how 'light' was it? and how heavy can an object be that you are nasty for carrying it on that day?
And how about those roof choppers? Is that work? Jesus saw their faith.
You keep bringing up the Pharisees, and their self-appointed determination of what is 'work' on the sabbath. It's you who is like them, thinking you can tell everyone else what they can or can't do.
What do you think about "sabbath elevators?" That's one I've only recently heard of. Apparently they are elevators that continually go up, then down, stopping at every floor, so the rider therein need not 'work' by pushing a button. How much more work have they already exerted by being where they are?
Do you light a fire on the sabbath? Observant Jews take that in modern times to mean they can't change the position of a light switch.
And do you think a person should be stoned for gathering wood on the sabbath? [you don't need to involve the Pharisees in that one.]

 

[BobRyan]

So do you simply rest from all your labors on the 7th day sabbath then if it is true?

I use sunday as one of my main work days as they did back then.

I was just saying that the person posted a comment admitting that the 7th day Saturday is the Sabbath - but he worships on Sunday "anyway" and ignores the Sabbath as a "day of holy convocation" Lev 23:1-4 where "from Sabbath to Sabbath all mankind shall come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

I agree that is what he is doing - but I don't agree that I am doing the same thing. Maybe I need to add a comment to my post to clarify.

 

[John Yurich]

Here is a good article on the subject:

Who Changed the Sabbath to Sunday? - Golden Nuggets of Truth | Silver Doctors

Nobody changed the Sabbath to Sunday since Sunday has never been the Sabbath but has always been the Lord's Day since the Resurrection and Saturday has been the Sabbath. Christians are not supposed to observe the Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Nobody changed the Sabbath to Sunday since Sunday has never been the Sabbath

Agreed.Nobody can edit/change God's Word - His Law --as Christ pointed out in Mark 7:6-13

In fact under the New Covenant "the LAW is written on the heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

but has always been the Lord's Day

There is not one text in the Bible saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day" nor a single text saying "the Lord's Day is the day of the week - each week - that Christ was raised from the dead -- weekly"

Christians are not supposed to observe the Sabbath.

"There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4:9
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
"EVERY Sabbath" BOTH Jews and Gentiles attended the synagogue for Gospel preaching Acts 18:4.
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
The 5th commandment is "the First commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 in that still-valid-unit-of-Ten

 

[BobRyan]

Just how 'light' was it? and how heavy can an object be that you are nasty for carrying it on that day?
And how about those roof choppers? Is that work? Jesus saw their faith.

Matthew 5 - Jesus condemns not only rebellion against the Law of God - He also condemned "teaching others" to do it.

I think we would all agree on that point.

 

[Yeshua1]

Matthew 5 - Jesus condemns not only rebellion against the Law of God - He also condemned "teaching others" to do it.

I think we would all agree on that point.

And after he died, we are not under law but now grace!

 

[BobRyan]

And after he died, we are not under law but now grace!

even in the NT "SIN IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
even in the NT "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
Even in the NT "do we abolish the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW " Rom 3:31
Even in the NT "it is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL BE justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge" Rom 2:13-16
Even in the NT "this is the NEW Covenant ... I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Hebrews 8:6-10
Even in the NT - breakers of God's Law - are in sin. James 2.
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.