Who did Christ die for? part//

[Jarthur001]

I have said over and over again....

God stopped him. "therefore suffered I thee not to touch her"

so I ask you for the 5th time......

Did Abimelech sin?

put up or shut up

 

[npetreley]

You keep going back and forth. Why?

We established in a different thread that he works for Waffle House.

"God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise you are limiting God's sovereignty."

Couldn't resist.... bwaahahahahahaha....

 

[Jarthur001]

We established in a different thread that he works for Waffle House.

I mean we have disagree before, but tonight he acts like he may need sleep.

 

[J.D.]

Exodus and Leviticus has a lot to say about sins of ignorance. Sins done in ignorance are sins nonetheless. A sin offering had to be made for them.

If I understand it correctly, Abemilech did not sin, but if he had slept with her, he would have sinned - sinned in ignorance, but sinned nevertheless.

 

[Jarthur001]

We established in a different thread that he works for Waffle House.

"God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise you are limiting God's sovereignty."

Couldn't resist.... bwaahahahahahaha....

Who in the world said that??

"God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise you are limiting God's sovereignty."

This one HAS to go in the book. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[TCGreek]

A scriptural point.

 

[npetreley]

Who in the world said that??

This one HAS to go in the book. :laugh: :laugh:

Webdog said it, although in different words. He said that God can leave a decision up to us yet still remain sovereign over that decision. And if I deny that, I'm limiting God's sovereignty.

That is essentially saying that God is sovereign over a decision about which He has abdicated His sovereignty -- which is to say that God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And I'm limiting God's sovereignty if I say differently.

Like I said, "bwaahahahahahahaha..." :laugh:

 

[webdog]

We established in a different thread that he works for Waffle House.

"God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And if you say otherwise you are limiting God's sovereignty."

Couldn't resist.... bwaahahahahahaha....

At least we established I work...

(self proclaimed beach bum? )

 

[webdog]

Webdog said it, although in different words. He said that God can leave a decision up to us yet still remain sovereign over that decision. And if I deny that, I'm limiting God's sovereignty.

That is essentially saying that God is sovereign over a decision about which He has abdicated His sovereignty -- which is to say that God is sovereign even when He's not sovereign. And I'm limiting God's sovereignty if I say differently.

Like I said, "bwaahahahahahahaha..." :laugh:

let the reader decide the dishonesty spoken here.

 

[webdog]

I mean we have disagree before, but tonight he acts like he may need sleep.

I thought gossip was sin? Is it sin if you are aware you are doing it or not?

 

[webdog]

I have said over and over again....

God stopped him. "therefore suffered I thee not to touch her"

so I ask you for the 5th time......

Did Abimelech sin?

put up or shut up

He did, he admitted as such to Abraham after he found out who Sarah was. Why was God going to kill him EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T TOUCH HER?

"You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman."

I fail to see anything about touching anybody there.

 

[Jarthur001]

I thought gossip was sin? Is it sin if you are aware you are doing it or not?

another great post...

Nothing to do with the OP....
but...well...

 

[Jarthur001]

He did, he admitted as such to Abraham after he found out who Sarah was. Why was God going to kill him EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T TOUCH HER

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:BangHead: :BangHead:

God did not punish him in this case...because God stopped him from touching her.

"You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman."

I fail to see anything about touching anybody there.

maybe it was because God stopped him.
:BangHead:

again..you make no point.

 

[npetreley]

Let's see - what are your options, now web?

1. Change the subject
2. Insist that the text says what you say it says, and ignore what it really says
3. Insult me or James
4. Try to make a witty remark
5. Disappear


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or..... GASP .... admit you were wrong. Nah.

 

[webdog]

Let's see - what are your options, now web?

1. Change the subject
2. Insist that the text says what you say it says, and ignore what it really says
3. Insult me or James
4. Try to make a witty remark
5. Disappear


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or..... GASP .... admit you were wrong. Nah.

I learned from the best (angry beaver).

I'm sorry...have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything? If not, you really have no room to talk.

 

[webdog]

another great post...

Nothing to do with the OP....
but...well...

Have you already forgot this whole back and forth stemmed from something you posted related to the op? Probably not...

Speaking of the OP...are you ever going to address Allan's question asking about John's use of "whole world"?

 

[webdog]

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:BangHead: :BangHead:

God did not punish him in this case...because God stopped him from touching her.




maybe it was because God stopped him.
:BangHead:

again..you make no point.

Whatever, James. I'm tired of dealing with you. Abimilech admitted he sinned, and you say he didn't. Whatever, man....

The sin was in taking a married woman. If this were not a sin, Abimilech would not have admittd to sinning against Abraham.

 

[npetreley]

I learned from the best (angry beaver).

I'm sorry...have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything? If not, you really have no room to talk.

And we have a combo 3 and 4! Insult AND a lame attempt at a witty remark!

Yes, I've admitted I was wrong several times on BB. For example, I insisted that "that" referred back to "faith" in Ephesians 2:8 for a long time. Then someone pointed out the Greek gender didn't match, so I had to admit I was wrong all along. And there were several other times but I can't recall what the details were at the moment.

Try it sometime. It's extremely liberating to admit when you're wrong about your interpretation of this or that Bible passage. The truth will set you free.

 

[Jarthur001]

Whatever, James. I'm tired of dealing with you. Abimilech admitted he sinned, and you say he didn't. Whatever, man....

The sin was in taking a married woman. If this were not a sin, Abimilech would not have admittd to sinning against Abraham.

What you said was...

Obviously knowledge of sin, or the blatant breaking of God's Law is required to be held guilty of such sin.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1119566&postcount=4

And that my web friend is not of the Bible.


Weddog dude...do you not understand??

Abimilech is not admitted he sinned. God had said before he had not sinned. Look at what the text says man.

And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

Gen 20:7 Now therefore restore the man [his] wife; for he [is] a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore [her] not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that [are] thine.
Gen 20:8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?

In 9...we read..

Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him (him is Abraham)
It was asked..."Why has THOU done this? (thou is Abraham)
and he goes on to ask.."What have I (done to) offend thee? (thee is Abraham)
Thou (thou is Abraham) has brought (he brought...he setup...it was Abraham that had placed this before Abimelech) on me( me is Abimelech) and on my kingdom a great sin.

Abimelech is not saying he sinned.
God did not say he sinned.
God stopped him from sinning.

Abimelech is asking why he was setup to sin and would have sinned...if God had not stopped him.

You never did answer why Abimelech and not Cain.

My guess is that you will NEVER answer it

 

[webdog]

And we have a combo 3 and 4! Insult AND a lame attempt at a witty remark!

Yes, I've admitted I was wrong several times on BB. For example, I insisted that "that" referred back to "faith" in Ephesians 2:8 for a long time. Then someone pointed out the Greek gender didn't match, so I had to admit I was wrong all along. And there were several other times but I can't recall what the details were at the moment.

Try it sometime. It's extremely liberating to admit when you're wrong about your interpretation of this or that Bible passage. The truth will set you free.

For the third time today I apologized if your remark on the other thread was not done sarcastically. Can you not understand that? Do you not acknowledge that? I'm sure my interpretation on MANY Scriptures to be wrong. I'm also sure your interpretation on MANY Scriptures to be wrong. We are human. What exactly, may I ask, are you adding to this thread besides troll-like behavior?