Originally posted by Me2:
Hello All,
I Agree On The Darkness and Lack Of Validity in Kens Statements That I Can Comprehend At This Time. I Also Agree That I see A Lot of Things In Kens Statements That need To Be further investegated. My Beliefs Are That Like Ken..Everything Revolves Around The Cross.
Hi Me2
Ok, I think
all Christians put 'the cross of Jesus Christ' at the center of all things, in a sense.
Where we differ with Ken is that we read the Bible to mean what it says and we don't reinterpret every passage to be some allegory of the day Jesus died.
Of course the themes of salvation, forgiveness, God, man are throughout the Bible. However if it says a man shot an arrow, well, that's what it means. It's not a veiled comment about the day Jesus died...it just isn't...
One In Which I Think Compells Me To Investigate His Studies Further..If Anyone Can Guide Me To Alternative sources, I Would Appreciate The Assistance. I Have Been Studying The Bible For 25 Years and Consider Kens work Quite unique and heavy in his usage of bible passages..However confusing and thought provoking it is to comprehend.
See, I would suggest doing more 'reasonability checks' on what Ken says than that he uses a lot of verses. It's uniqueness, to me, is more of a red flag than anything else.
I just can't believe that God let the church be 'lost' for almost 2,000 years until He revealed the true meaning of the Bible to Ken.
And last time I said that I think I offended Ken...but I don't mean it to be an offensive comment; only a reasonability check.
Anyway, I have a mental illness and when I was ill I tried to do things a lot like Ken is doing i.e. come up with my own allegorical interpretation of the Bible. It's really hard to look at something and know "when I did that they put me on anti-psychotic drugs" and not be a bit skeptical about it.
Yeah, maybe I'm just jealous that he can do it and I can't without being put on drugs. OTOH I kinda like being restored to seeing things much more like the way the rest of the Body of Christ does...
Kind of Like Parables..Right..The Bible Is Not To Be Read..It Is To Be Interpreted By God. To Whomever He Determines.
Yes, but He is a revealing God; not a God who hides important teachings except from one man - be he Ken or someone else. (Or one woman, fwiw
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And Yes,..even the simple thoughts of God Has Multiple Messages Contained Within Their Words.
Yes, but the MAIN meaning will not be an obscure hidden one that only one man - be he Ken or someone else - is able to decode.
Did you see A Beautiful Mind? What did John Nash do when he was ill?
Look for hidden messages
If the most important messages that there are are hidden in the Bible, to be found only by one man - be he Ken or someone else, then what does that tell us about God? That He enjoys our confusion...that He doesn't really want us to know; that He plays games with us...surely that's what we'd have to conclude if He has only ordained to reveal important truth to one man.
Dont We Live By Faith..Things Not "Seen".
To some extent. But what did Jesus say when John's disciples came and asked "Are you the one?" He replied that they should LOOK AND LISTEN to what is around them and they would KNOW the answer.
Therefore we would be wrong to set aside the evidence of our five senses! Or our reason!
If We Were Not To Have A Different View Of What God Is Showing Us The World Would Quickly Become Depressing wouldnt It?
Yes, but we have it already and we had it long before Ken came along, with all due respect.
Ken is a universalist and that probably appeals to you; I can empathize; I find the doctrine of hell really hard. But I will not embrace things which I find lead me to untenable conclusions about the God who wants to know us and has revealed Himself to us all throughout time, just to evade the doctrine of hell.
And I do find it totally untenable that every passage of Scripture is an allegory of Jesus' death.
Ken does what other allegorizers do - he allegorizes until he gets to teaching he likes. No offense but...I don't see justification for anyone doing that...they may be sincere but I think it's a very dangerous way to approach Scripture (or anything else!)